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   BOB KLAHN to LEE LOFASO   
   Writing about the first amendment   
   05 Apr 12 10:38:36   
   
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    LL>>> example, the Falkland Islands.  Nobody really cared about   
    LL>>> the few sheepherders who were living on the main islands.   
    LL>>> That war was really about oil.   
      
   BK>>No, it really wasn't. They can't find any significant oil in   
   BK>>that area last I heard.   
      
    LL> The area encompassed the entire South Atlantic, not just   
    LL> the small islands themselves.  Oil companies have long been   
    LL> aware of the oil deposits, but the cost of drilling was too   
    LL> prohibitive to make it economically viable.  But today's   
    LL> technologies do make it profitable.   
      
    Two points. Those Islands really don't have that much range. The   
    mainland would extend their limits, and the islands will have   
    limited reach.   
      
    From what I read, it's not the new technology that's making it   
    profitable, but the high price of oil. Just like back in the   
    '70s old low production wells suddenly became more valuable.   
      
   BK>>It was about the Argentine Generals took over the government and   
   BK>>it was going very badly. So they decided to distract the people   
   BK>>and become popular by taking the islands away from the mighty   
   BK>>British.   
      
    LL> A war is one way of getting a people for forget about   
    LL> economic troubles.  The generals probably thought they   
    LL> could get a negotiated settlement with the UK, and probably   
    LL> would have had Maggie Thatcher not been the PM.  Do note   
      
    Funny you should mention this. The National Security Archives at   
    George Washinton U have posted recently released papers showing   
    the Reagan Administration thought Maggie might have pushed it a   
    bit close. And that she did not try enough diplomacy.   
      
    LL> that the US remained "neutral" throughout the conflict,   
    LL> although the Argentines tried mightily to get US President   
    LL> Ronald Reagan to invoke the Monroe Doctrine on their behalf.   
      
    Those same papers showed the Reagan administration supported the   
    British with intel and logistics. The told Maggie they were   
    supporting her.   
      
    The Monroe doctrine in that case would be trumped by the NATO   
    obligations, since British territory had been attacked.   
      
   BK>>Unfortunately for the generals, when you lose the war your   
   BK>>popularity tends to drop precipitously.   
      
    LL> It was the women.  Women who had lost their sons.  And   
    LL> daughters. And those women blamed the generals.  The women   
    LL> blamed the generals for having lost their sons and   
    LL> daughters.  And you know as well as I do that women are   
    LL> always right.   
      
    Now that last line is certainly true.   
      
    LL>>> The United Nations voted to create *two* Palestinian states   
    LL>>> - one for the Jews, and one for the Arabs.  Both sides   
      
   BK>>Which they never had the authority to do in the first place.   
      
    LL> What authority did the Turks have to occupy Palestine?   
    LL> What authority did the British have to occupy Palestine?   
    LL> What authority does any foreign power have to occupy   
    LL> Palestine?  Palestine is for Palestinians. Regardless of   
    LL> what religion those Palestinians might be.   
      
    None to all the above.   
      
    LL>>> rejected the plan, but the Jews gladly took what they could   
    LL>>> get.  Go ahead.  Look at the original maps.  The first war   
    LL>>> between the Arabs and the Jews was fought on Arab lands.   
    LL>>> The second war between the Arabs and the Jews was fought on   
    LL>>> Arab lands.  Every war fought between the Arabs and the   
    LL>>> Jews has been fought on Arab lands.   
      
   BK>>I hadn't thought of that aspect of it. Hmmm...   
      
    LL> Start thinking, man!    I slap your bloody noggin'   
    LL> again if I have to!  Does that look like the land of milk   
    LL> and honey to you?  Where 72 virgins are waiting for martyrs   
    LL> to join them?  If not, you know there is only one way to   
    LL> get there...   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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