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    JM>>> Employers should fire "dead weight" or unproductive   
    JM>>> employes   
      
    BK>> Competent employers don't have many unproductive employees.   
      
    JM> So they should fire the ones they do.   
      
    Probably relatives or cronies.   
      
    LL>>>> Outsourcing jobs   
    LL>>>> to where cheap labor can be found, such as   
    LL>>>> in Veitnam, Mongolia, etc.   
      
    JM>>> Why would a manufacturer pay 10 times the cost for an   
    JM>>> American wigdet when they can get it cheaper?   
      
    BK>> Why should a manufacturer be allowed to import something that   
    BK>> could be made here, without having taxes levied to balance out   
    BK>> the slave labor wages of China?   
      
    JM> Because lower cost would make the widget more widely   
    JM> available to more people.   
      
    Who then lose their jobs because slave labor from China get to   
    make the widgets.   
      
    LL>>>> As governor of Massachusetts, he screwed   
    LL>>>> working people in other ways. Such as state   
    LL>>>> employees. Rather than have the state run   
    LL>>>> the prisons and everything else, Romney chose   
    LL>>>> to privatize as much as he could, thus giving   
    LL>>>> pink slips to many folks in those areas.   
      
    JM>>> Those people could not work for the private contractor?   
      
    BK>> Private contractors tend to reduce the workforce to below   
    BK>> justifiable minimums. That and cut wages and benefits. Any job   
    BK>> worth doing is worth a living wage.   
      
    JM> Not ALL jobs are worth paying a "living wage" even if you   
    JM> could tell everyone what that was.   
      
    Yes, ALL jobs worth doing are worth a living wage. A good   
    standard is, what would you have to make to do that job.   
      
    JM>  Is a "living wage" the same in NYC as in Melrose Florida   
    JM>  or Lincoln Nebraska? Should a teenager baby sitting get a   
    JM>  "living wage?"  How about a teenager bagging groceries?   
      
    You can bag your own groceries. You can watch your own kids.   
    What would you charge to do those jobs? When I see adults doing   
    child care and bagging groceries that's not teenagers.   
      
    It's interesting that we see the right wingers diverting away   
    from adults trying to raise families at poverty level wages by   
    going off on teenagers doing casual work. Tell you what, when   
    adults raising families can count on a living wage I'll be   
    interested in discussing teenagers wages.   
      
    BK>> The state has no right to authorize private individuals to hold   
    BK>> others prisoner. That is a power that should only be exercised   
    BK>> by the state, after due process of law.   
      
    LL>>>> Private companies maximize their profits by   
    LL>>>> paying low wages, cutting the number of   
    LL>>>> employees, lower quality, fewer regulations,   
    LL>>>> etc.   
      
    JM>>> To bad you believe the BS you have been told.   
      
    BK>> Too bad what he said is true.   
      
    JM> Not always.   
      
    Not all employers pay low wages. Those who do are the ones we   
    are talking about.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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