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   Lee Lofaso to alexander koryagin   
   Writing about the first amendment   
   13 Mar 12 05:15:27   
   
   Hello Alexander,   
      
    MM>> I think the leader of Iran wanted to move the Jews in Isreael/Palestine   
    MM>> to North Dakota.   
      
    ak> Probably I should have write "unsettled" instead of "inhabitable." But all   
    ak> habitable territories are already settled. So "inhabitable" is correct   
    ak> anyway.   
      
   Zionism comes in two versions.  One version was that a Zionist state   
   could be created anywhere (the original idea being for Jews to set up   
   a Jewish state in present-day Uganda).  The other version was that a   
   Jewish state should be created in the land of Palestine, which iw the   
   version that was eventually chosen/adopted.  However, the version   
   that exists today is incomplete.  The idea is for a Jewish state to   
   stretch from the Mediterranean Sea to the Tigris/Euphrates (modern-day   
   Iraq).   
      
   Every square inch of habitable lands have been contested by man.  Not   
   just land in Africa and the Middle East.  Even inhabitable lands have   
   been contested.  For a recent example, the Falkland Islands.  Nobody   
   really cared about the few sheepherders who were living on the main   
   islands.  That war was really about oil.   
      
    ak> It only underlines that it was impossible to create Jewish state at   
    ak> the settled territories without shedding rivers of blood. Jews clearly   
    ak> should been created a one more civilized democratic state that could have   
    ak> been suitable for all nations, Arabs included.   
      
   The United Nations voted to create *two* Palestinian states - one for   
   the Jews, and one for the Arabs.  Both sides rejected the plan, but the   
   Jews gladly took what they could get.  Go ahead.  Look at the original   
   maps.  The first war between the Arabs and the Jews was fought on Arab   
   lands.  The second war between the Arabs and the Jews was fought on   
   Arab lands.  Every war fought between the Arabs and the Jews has been   
   fought on Arab lands.   
      
   The Iranian president is a blustering fool who has absolutely no   
   intention of starting another war between the Arabs and the Jews.   
   Besides, he is Persian, not Arab.  Today there is much talk about   
   war.  Not by the Iranian president or the mullahs running that   
   country, but by the Israeli prime minister and his war cabinet.   
      
   What will happen if Israel and/or the US bombs Iranian nuclear   
   facilities?  Iranians will defend their homeland, despite their   
   president being unpopular.  Not only that, but Arabs around the   
   world will also be up in arms.  Along with Afghans, who already   
   want to behead as many Americans (and other infidels) as they   
   can find.   
      
   Israel is more of a theocracy than a democracy.  Kind of like   
   a Jewish version of Iran.  Only a tad bit different.  Jews have   
   rights, non-Jews do not.  Jews are citizens.  Arabs who are   
   Israelis are second-rate citizens, not having the same rights   
   as Jews.   
      
   What you have in Israel are two peoples and three religions.  Trying   
   to get two peoples who hate each others guts to work together is hard   
   enough.  Combine that with three religions and it becomes an utter   
   impossibility.   
      
   --Lee   
      
   --- MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb   
    * Origin: news://felten.yi.org (2:203/2)   

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