Hello LEe,
On Sat 2012-Mar-10 00:31, Lee Lofaso (2:203/2) wrote to Richard Webb:
LL> "In the name of" does not necesarily equate to the real reason. All
LL> wars are economic, and can be defined as being an exchange of human
LL> lives for real estate. The conflict in the Middle East is no
LL> different. It is about land, not religion, although religion is
LL> (and always has been) used as being an excuse for war.
Yeup, usually the case. Any old excuse will do, but
religion is heavily tied in with the land in many cultures.
This latest, (the middle east) exacerbated by drunken
outsiders arbitrarily drawing lines on maps.
LL> We were content buying oil from Iraq. Until GWB decided to invade
LL> the country in order to have a Shiite hit squad execute one Sunni.
LL> Imagine that. Wasting over 4,000 American lives to have one Iraqi
LL> executed by religious nutcases.
Wasstupid, as was the first foray in there to "free Kuwait"
or whatever nonsense it was.
LL> Saddam Hussein was no more al-Qaeda than any other Arab dictator. In
LL> fact, he hated al-Qaeda and hunted them down. With weapons we gave
LL> or sold to him. The Saudi king is no different.
This is true, he also hated the Kurds, but then, they
weren't real fond of him either .
RW> I don't believe in buying from people who hate me and my way of life.
LL> Everybody hates us, not just Arabs and Persians. Just because a
LL> people hate us does not give us the right to make war on them.
No, but it should give us a strong incentive not to do
business with them imho.
RW> I'll give you my two reactions, my gut and my head.
LL> We saw what happened when GWB listened to his gut. :'(
Indeed, it was stupid to go over there for wmd that were
never proven to be there. Wrong war, we had a job to finish with the Taliban.
RW> My head says:
LL> GWB looked into Putin's eyes and saw a good soul...
Probably, couldn't tell you whether I agree or disagree,
never met the man .
RW> That makes us as bad as they are.
LL> Worse.
YEah, still doesn't mean we have to do business with them.
RW> Still, I don't believe in buying their oil, at any price it's too high.
LL> We had no problem with ourselves buying Iraqi oil. And had GWB not
LL> been so hell-bent on having one particular Iraqi executed, thousands
LL> of American soldiers would still be alive. Today we are again
LL> buying Iraqi oil, just as in times past. The only difference being
LL> there is a new dictator in town...
YEp, changed a lot with all those lives sacrificed eh? This one was
supposedly elected. I'm not so sure about
that one.
RW> NOt one dime, not one drop of American blood should be shed for them.
LL> Are you willing to pay $10/gallon to tank up your car? $20? $30?
LL> If we choose to stick our heads into the sand and pretend we do not
LL> need to import oil from countries such as Saudi Arabia, that is what
LL> you and everybody else in the country will be paying, if not more.
IF that's what it costs, that's what it costs. i see no
reason to support the wahhabis, at all. NOne whatsoever.
RW> Nothing, no food, no money, nothing. LEt the Wahhabi
RW> hatemongers feed them if the people of Saudi are starving.
LL> The people there have never starved, even before oil was discovered.
LL> The nomads in the desert tended to their flocks, the fishermen got
LL> fish from the sea, and the divers collected pearls to sell to the
LL> rich. And then, once a year, everybody got together to go dancing
LL> around a black rock, throwing stones at Satan.
sO let' em go back to that if they can't sell their oil, or sell it
to China, but they probably hate tehm too,
but if China wishes to deal, let them deal with them.
RW> lEt the Bin Laddens spend some of the profits from the
RW> rebuilding of Mecca and Medena to feed them.
LL> Osama bin Laden is dead, thanks to President Obama.
Right, and you saw how much help we got from the Saudi
royals.
RW> Not one dime, not one drop of blood form an American soldier or sailor,
not
RW> one kernel of corn or grain of american wheat, nothing!
LL> We sold grain to the USSR. And they gave us arms agreements in
LL> return. We can do the same with the Arabs. We sell them what they
LL> want, they give us what we want. Since Americans do not care much
LL> for sand, they can give us some black gold instead. Note, the
LL> Saudis import sand from the US, as they do not have the right kind
LL> of sand to make cement.
Yep had heard that one. I have no problem trading
with anybody, but I do have a problem putting resources into the hands of
people who will use those resources to harm me
and mine.
RW> I saw no reason the first time to be defending them, or
RW> their way of life. YOu want my soldiers and sailors, they
RW> read their Playboy magazines, and the women drive, vote and
RW> are equal to men, not mutilated by your butchers when
RW> they're pubescent girls.
LL> You really need to get out more, and meet some Saudis here
LL> in this country. You should be able to find some at any Islamic
LL> Welcome Center. Let them show you their ways, the peace of Allah,
LL> as you submit to his will...
Ask some of the women who served over there, or the soldiers who couldn't read
what they wished, because the U.s> did the censoring because "it might offend
our hosts." American
boots on the ground, American heads read watch and listen to waht they damn
well please.
I know plenty of practitioners of Islam in this country.
Their women vote, their young girls are not taken to the
butchers at puberty, they believe in peaceful coexistence
with their neighbors. They are, in short, not wahhabi.
We have our so-called Christian sects which are just as
scary my friend. So far, the barriers between church and
state here have kept them from exerting the sort of control
they do in Saudi Arabia. Some of these new politicos would
change that though.
Regards,
Richard
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