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   FRANK SCHEIDT to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN   
   Re: Writing about the first amendment   
   02 Mar 12 21:44:24   
   
   ->  FS>>> (Ask the American Indians about their history.) Since Israel   
   ->  FS>>> has now occupied that land for six decades, they now have as   
   ->  FS>>> much right to it as do the Palestinians.   
   ->  ak>> The core of the problem is that Palestinians is not a small   
   ->  ak>> ethnic group whose rights can be violated with impunity. All   
   ->  ak>> the Arabs actually is one nation, with one language   
   ->    
   ->  FS> Actually the Arabian nations not only have more than one   
   ->  FS> dialect of Arabic, some cannot even understand the other.   
   ->  FS> Example, Egyptian Arabic is said to be completely   
   ->  FS> unintelligible to Iraqi Arabic speakers. And Iran, of course,   
   ->  FS> isn't even an Arabian nation; they speak Farsi. However, they   
   ->  FS> all hate Israel with about the same intensity.   
   ->    
   -> Well, probably Israelis would understand Palestinians better if they   
   -> had put themselves in their boots after the WW2. What had happened   
   -> then?   
      
   True enough -- but equally true for *all* nations, if they would put   
   themselves in the shoes of other nations.   
      
   -> The people, who had lived there for almost two thousand of years,   
   -> had been ordered to accept the people of another nation; and not   
   -> only to accept them but to admit that they, Palestinians, must   
   -> become subjects of that people's new state and live in a country   
   -> that must be a Jewish religious country. I.e. the Arab people from   
   -> the beginning were supposed to be a second grade people which must   
   -> accept all the Jewish laws and live in the country where the Jewish   
   -> religion is not separated from the state. It was even worse that   
   -> just occupation.   
   ->    
   -> If I say in Russia "Russia must be the state for Russians" I would   
   -> be called "fascist." If a German say "Germany for Germans" he would   
   -> be called "nazi". It only remains to wonder who were Jews when they   
   -> started establishing a state for Jews on Arab's land.   
      
   I cannot answer you question about the Jews.  However I disagree with you   
   WRT the Russian and German sayings.  That is, I disagree with the effects.   
       
   -> Even now the main thesis of Israelis is that Israel must be a Jewish   
   -> state. It is a racist position, and it is and it was unacceptable to   
   -> all the people who live or lived in Palestine, except Jews of   
   -> course.   
   ->    
   -> So, the way the Jewish people started to build their state was   
   -> objectionable from the scratch, and it was clear that the process   
   -> was doomed to become a pretext for a wars. Besides it is a pretext   
   -> for a war even now. Because "Jewish state" is the core thesis   
   -> Palestinians have been demanding to accept. Naturally they don't   
   -> want to do it. And with every year passing hatred against Jews are   
   -> steadily increasing.   
   ->    
   -> The way out is clear. In the present world there must not be   
   -> countries where one nation is more superior than another. When this   
   -> ugly item be resolve the situation in Palestine would be resolved   
   -> much easier.   
      
   I think you propose an idealistic solution which will never develop.   
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