Hello Bob,   
      
   On Mon 2012-Feb-27 09:06, BOB BREED (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:   
      
      
    RW> IMho it's a stupid thing to even campaign about, or discuss. It's   
    RW> economics. But, we stand there and beat our breast if   
    RW> we're a pol and say what we're gonna do to give us cheaper   
    RW> gas.   
      
   BB> It's a hot button thing right now, and of course anyone who promises   
   BB> a fix will catch the public eye. The fact that the 'fix' is beyond   
   BB> him is quickly gnored.   
      
   Beyond that there's the art of misdirection, every magic act since the   
   beginning of civilization uses it. Draw the eye   
   somewhere else. Shine the light where they see something   
   else and don't see the cables and harness attached to the   
   "flying girl." That's why they do it. They know that   
   economics are waht they are, and there's no politician can   
   fix such a thing, but they go on with all this pure bs   
   anyway.   
      
    RW> INstead imho we need to be talking about alternative energy, rebuilding   
    RW> the infrastructure and sustainable economy across the board. The rest   
    RW> of it is just bs. But, these folks   
    RW> don't have any plan of addressing those issues because the   
    RW> huge multinational corporations don't want them addressed.   
      
   BB> Alternate energy also has some costs. CA, being a sunny state, and   
   BB> San Diego being a sunny town you'd think we'd have a lot of solar   
   BB> panels - hell on every roof top if the green folks had their say -   
   BB> yet we don't. (However SD leads the state in solar rooftops on   
   BB> residences.)   
      
   BB> Why not more you ask? Haa, SDG&E has decided these folks aren't   
   BB> paying their share of maintaining the infrastructure needed to   
   BB> provide power at night. Simple answer, tack on a fee for those   
   BB> having solar panels - price right now isn't all that bad, about 25 a   
   BB> month if they get it passed, but that's just a start.   
      
   Just my point. It all has some costs associated with it.   
   I've been following off and on the arguments re your   
   passenger rail infrastructure out there and the various high speed rail   
   proposals. All this blather from both major   
   parties, and it's all just that. i'm becoming old and   
   grouchy, and coming to the point where I have no faith in   
   any of them to do anything which will help average American   
   folks.   
      
   I was thinking about this yesterday when I look at the town   
   where I grew up. A manufacturing and transportation hub in   
   the midwest. Railroad maintenance facilities and the   
   supporting jobs that went with them. At one time that place was the "TV   
   antenna capital of the world" with Winegard and   
   other rooftop antenna manufacturers. ONe company built   
   Radio Shack's offerings in that field.   
   Winegard went into dishes then as well, receive preamps, all sorts of stuff.   
      
   The railroad engine shops had their support industries, the   
   ordnance plant made the bombs and land mines for VN and way   
   back. Sylvania had a vacuum tube factory, there was a   
   resistor factory there. Champion made sparkplugs for your   
   car, all in that city.   
      
   Good jobs with benefits have been replaced by Walmart, a   
   casino, restaurants, no benefits, no longevity one can   
   depend on, little more than minimum wage. The feds built   
   'em a new bridge across the MIssissippi river a quarter of a century back or   
   so, for trucks that don't roll in adn out of Burlington near like they used to.   
   You can understand animals that eat their young, but this is a society which   
   has defecated all over its young. Just   
   beautiful!   
      
   BB> Now you hear the roars of the folks who tried to price out the cost   
   BB> of the system -- that fee wasn't part of the plan, in fact in many   
   BB> cases you just can't get the cost back now.   
      
   BB> And so it goes...   
      
   Yep, so we'll burn more gas and coal, and compete with   
   others that need the same gas and coal. Manufacturing is   
   too dirty, too dangerous, let's send it all to third world   
   countries where the people are desperate. YEp, just waht we need. Young   
   people without a viable sustainable future, but then with their perpetual adhd   
   and their ritalin addled   
   brains they won't know the difference anyway.   
      
      
      
    BB> I hear stories about how we really don't have to compete with that,   
    BB> having vast amounts of oil on our own land, but then why are we   
    BB> doing it?   
      
    RW> We don't anyway, better mass transit, alternative energy   
    RW> sources and the like. We're selling some of ours to europe   
    RW> and importing it from people who hate us. .   
      
    BB> Above my pay grade...   
      
    RW> YEah I know, but you'll get sold the same bs bill of good   
    RW> whether you vote for Obama or the other guy anyway. I found it amazing   
    RW> the sheeple bought in so readily the first time.   
      
      
   BB> Simple answer here, I just stopped listening to all of them. :)    
   BB> Yeah, I'm failing my civic duty because 'every vote counts." Haa,   
   BB> I say Haa! Man talk about a line of bs, put that one at the top!   
      
   YEah I know, and it just gets worse. I go pull mylever or   
   mark my ballot, and it gets tossed anyway if i didn't vote   
   for one of the majors. I'll occasionally get my choice as a senator or   
   congress critter, but the whole system has become morally and ethically   
   bankrupt. AS I said, a society that   
   is hellbent on defecating on its young. A whole generation   
   of "to hell with you i got mine." Great place my grandson   
   gets to live in. Yet we tell him his vote counts, he's   
   supposed to be a good little citizen adn do what he's told.   
      
   The trouble is, this baby boomer believed all the hype and   
   bought in. I figure at least I got lucky and was raised   
   during its glory days when, as the song says "the future's   
   so bright I gotta wear shades." That was before some greedy old rich men   
   decided they had theirs and the future didn't   
   matter. Bring back King Ronnie the first!!!   
      
      
   Regards,   
    Richard   
   ... 10% of everything isn't crap, watch closely or you'll miss it!   
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