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   ->  FS> I disagree.  Lyndon Johnson's beloved Vietnam "war" caused a   
   general   
   ->  FS> distrust of government, followed by a distrust of *all* authority.   
   ->  FS> Then the so-called "counter culture" came up with expressions later   
   ->  FS> dubbed "politically-correct", i.e., those expressions they agreed   
   with.   
   ->    
   -> Here we agree. :)  Looking back I have no problem spotting just when   
   most lost   
   -> faith with the government - and it's that damn VN war.   
   ->    
   -> I'd go even a bit farther in defining it:  The draft.   
      
   I think it was the draft which especially bothered the draft-age kids --   
   and that's certainly understandable.  I thought the "war" was called-for --   
   at first.  I turned against it when I saw that most of the "North" Vietnam   
   POWs were actually from the South.  Hence it was a civil war.  And I think   
   the US should avoid all civil wars.  Let the "natives" fight it out.   
       
   -> When it became evident that the sons of the upper class could escape,   
   thus   
   -> leaving only the poor subject to it, that became a big divisor.  That's   
   why so   
   -> many young men fled to Canada, and was really the first time the powers   
   -> couldn't rally the masses to the cause. (What the hell ever that was?)   
      
   That was the basic problem:  What WAS the cause??   
       
   -> WWII had young men flocking to enlist - MOST did in fact, but of course   
   others   
   -> waiting for the call from the friendly draft board. :)   
      
   After the attack on Pearl Harbor the nation developed intense patriotism in   
   most people -- and it lasted until the war ended, not like the brief   
   patriotic flurry following 9/11.  Even *I* was jazzed-up with patriotism,   
   so I volunteered to enter the Army.   
       
   -> Next was the K thing.  Here the first wave was reserves called back,   
   don't   
   -> recall a lot of enlisting, but of course the draft caught us.   
      
   The Korean "war", sometimes called "The Forgotten 'war'", was never popular   
   with the majority of the public, probably because "winning" was not seen as   
   absolutely critical as winning WWII WAS!   
       
   -> Then the VN thing, and I'm at a loss to figure out just what happened   
   there.     
      
   I think it's known now that the North Vietnamese "navy" did NOT actually   
   attack us as LBJ had falsely claimed.   
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