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|    Lee Lofaso to Richard Webb    |
|    Protecting the Status Quo    |
|    18 Feb 12 17:29:26    |
      Hello Richard,               DD>> Same deal on term limits for elected officials. Many of them seem to        DD>> think that holding elected office is a lifetime sinecure. Which        DD>> certainly is *NOT* what the framers of the Constitution envisioned.              RW>OF course, but then the framers of the constitution never       RW>anticipated professional politicians. Their thought was       RW>that average folks would seek office as well as vote.       RW>Their efforts were geared toward eliminating a professional       RW>perpetual ruling class.              The Framers of the Constitution were wealthy white men who owned       property (including slaves). As such, they had a vested interest       in protecting what was theirs. If you study the Revolutionary       War, you will find it was not really a revolution but rather       a war to protect the status quo. It was rich man's war, not a       poor man's uprising. Only wealthy folks could afford to own       muskets, much less musketballs and the powder to fire them.       George Washington was a wealthy old coot who really did not       want to get involved, but for unknown reasons decided to join       the fray.              Jimmy Carter (yes, the former president) wrote a fictional account       of the Revolutionary War. He put a lot of research into that book,       and it is quite revealing, especially the details. Understanding       the Revolutionary War and what it was all about is essential to       understanding what went through the minds of the Framers of the       Constitution.              One of the most basic things is the difference between the British       perspective and the American perspective in regards to the purpose       of government, more specifically where rights are derived from.       The British view is that all laws are derived from government (laws       can be given and taken away). IOW, rights do not exist. The American       view is that people have rights, especially in regards to certain       inalienable rights, in which is the duty of government to protect       those rights. Thomas Jefferson (along with others) expressed the       American view in a most forthright manner in the Declaration of       Independence.              Term limits are anti-democratic, limiting the choices voters have.       That is one of the reasons why term limits were not included by any       of the Framers in the U.S. Constitution. It was not until the 22nd       Amendment was passed and ratified that any form of term limits were       included, and that was a Republican idea. It was a bad idea then,       and is a bad idea now. The amendment is poorly written, and can be       interpreted/misinterpreted/abused in a variety of ways.              All the 22nd Amendment does is limit a President to serving two       consecutive terms. Once a President has left office after having       served two consecutive terms, he/she is free to be elected to a       new first term, and subsequent second term. See how that works?              Had Bill Clinton been a wise man, he would have had his wife Hillary       Clinton run for President in the year 2000, with Bill as Vice President.       With Bill being from Arkansas and Hillary being from New York, the       Republican team of two Texans (George W. Bush and Dick Cheney) would       have cried foul, falsely claiming that both Bill and Hillary were from       Arkansas. And then, in 2008, Bill and Hillary could have swapped       places, with Bill Clinton as President and Hillary Clinton as Vice       President.              Now that is the stuff that dreams are made of. :)              --Lee              --- MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb        * Origin: news://felten.yi.org (2:203/2)    |
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