Hello Richard,
>RW>First, glad to see you [Dave Drum] still among us. Hadn't
>RW>seen you posting anywhere since you bailed on pol_inc a few
>RW>months back.
>LL>Dan Ceppa left FidoNet years ago. As did most other thinking
>LL>people.
RW>It was shortly after that Dave bailed out of there, as did I soon
RW>thereafter
Oh, come now. Do keep up. Dan moved on to facebook or twitter,
leaving the rest of us behind. :)
>BK>I do not consider balanced budgets all that great an idea, I am
>BK>just pointing out how the republican ideal was achieved only
>BK>under Clinton after 1969. Which, BTW, was LBJ's last budget, we
>BK>are talking fiscal years, not calendar years.
>DD>I don't know about how, or even if the numbers were manipulated.
>DD>But, I do know that I lived better and had more "effective" spending
>DD>power in my pocket when Slick Willie was there for eight years - and
>DD>shortly thereafter before George III managed to drive the economy
>DD>into the ditch - than at any time since.
RW>
>RW>Would agree with that. the only reason I did almost as well during
>RW>Bush Junior's presidency at all was because i moved to wehre there
>RW>was a wider variety of work for me. But, that move was forced
>RW>because GWB was driving the economy into the tank even in his early
>RW>days, or at least helping it along that way. TDuring the middle
>RW>years of Clinton my usual clients at least had money to spend.
>LL>It is all too easy to blame GWB for the problems this country has.
>LL>But the fact of the matter is that those problems have existed for
>LL>years, with little or nothing done about them. As a result, it was
>LL>just a matter of time before everything imploded and went to shit.
>LL>GWB simply made things happen sooner rather than later.
RW>Agreed, i consider the clinton years a buble that was bound
RW>to burst, sooner or later, and it wasn't that good, but at
RW>least money was moving around, and folks were spending it.
It was definitely a "feel-good" presidency, the biggest story
of those years being the president getting a blowjob from a White
House intern. :)
I still have the speech to the nation Bill Clinton gave about
the meaning of the word "is". The man was such a great debater
he could convince his harshest critics he was right.
>RW>AS for Wall Street, forget Wall Street, they've got their too big to
>RW>fail happening when it comes to sticking their hands in our wallets
>RW>after they screw it up.
>LL>Thank God our President saw the light and bailed out the auto
>LL>companies (and other businesses and industries). Can you just
>LL>imagine how many folks would have been thrown out of work had he not
>LL>done so? It would have been worse than the Great Depression. Yes,
>LL>some companies are too big to fail. The only other real option
>LL>other than bailing them out is for government to take them over
>LL>completely. And that would be an absolute disaster. But at least
>LL>folks would have a paycheck rather than no paycheck at all.
RW>The auto industry maybe, but i can't see where the rest of
RW>this bailout actually helped average folks any at all. Was
RW>reading in the NEw York Times weekly braille edition the
RW>other day that fat cats are crying that they're limited to
RW>$125k bonuses at some companies. Jesus Christ! $125k and
RW>this jerk's gonna cry? Come on, he makes $60k a year and
RW>is gonna cry cause his bonus is limited to $125k? I have no
RW>sympathy.
And yet Mitt Romney is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.
After Newt Gingrich won the South Carolina primary, it was gloves off
for Mitt Romney. The end result was Newt Gingrich getting run over
by a freight train. And now that Rick Santorum has won three straight
primaries (plus his win in Iowa) the same thing will happen to him.
What remains of Santorum that can be found will be so scattered that
it won't really matter...
>RW>Their version of the casino does alright even if the economy goes
>RW>down the toilet for the rest of us. Especially with average folks
>RW>to bail their butts out.
>LL>The very wealthy can take care of themselves. The poor cannot, and
>LL>will not, ever be able to care for themselves. With more and more
>LL>of the middle class becoming poor, that means this country will soon
>LL>become more like Mexico than anybody wants to admit - A small
>LL>wealthy class, no middle class, and an extremely large poverty
>LL>class. When that happens (not if), who is going to bail out the
>LL>wealthy?
RW>Who cares? LEt the wealthy take care of themselves when
RW>that goes down, and if they can't because they're overrun
RW>by angry citizens then too bad. I only sympathize if they
RW>actually made their money producing something, and I don't
RW>mean more artificial paper crap.
How did Mitt Romney get so fabulously wealthy? And why is he
using his wealth to steamroll his way to the Republican nomination?
Nobody seems to know what Mitt Romney is all about. What is he
for? He has the money to tarnish the reputation of any candidate
who runs against him. Not sure that strategy will work against
incumbent President Barack Obama in the general election, who
is getting more and more popular with each passing day...
>LL>"Corporations are people." - Mitt Romney
RW>YOu cannot jail a corporation, nor can you torture it, deny
RW>it liberty. YOu can holdits officers and directors liable
RW>for criminal acts however. Hence, it is not a person,
RW>because it cannot be held personally responsible in the way
RW>people can.
It's a legal term, the courts ruling that corporations are people.
Gerry Spence wrote in detail about the ruling several years ago.
--Lee
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