20 Jan 11 22:50, BOB KLAHN wrote to ALL:   
      
    BK>   Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to   
    BK>  think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away   
    BK>  with that.   
      
   Really? I hadn't noticed.   
      
    BK>  When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in   
    BK>  an update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to   
    BK>  Mod Upd.   
      
   Wrong. Updating an echolisting can be done either way. Some moderators do   
   it the hard way and some have learned to update with the shortened   
   version. In either case, the subject of your update will be; Mod Upd.   
      
    BK>  Just so you know a bit about how it works.   
      
   I think I've been updating echoes long enough to know the procedure, in   
   and out.   
      
   OTH, I've quit using the Echolist to list my echoes, as the echolist   
   keeper has turned out to be a crook. He's like you, listing echoes in   
   hopes that people will recognize him as the moderator. He tried that shit   
   with the HAM echo and got his ass kicked for it.   
      
    BK>  Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if   
    BK>  you try to list an already listed echo without the correct   
    BK>  password, it won't work.   
      
   No shit, little beaver. Where'd you get your first clue, attempting to   
   hijack someone's echo?   
      
    BK>  So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the   
    BK>  echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not   
    BK>  work.   
      
   Actually, an echolisting may not take affect and you'll have to do it   
   again so that jerks like you don't hijack the echo. Checking the echolist   
   echo for a notice of renewal is a smart thing to do. Checking the echolist   
   might be too late, as someone like you could come along and hijack it   
   while your update has been lost by the robot, or his master.   
      
   Fact is that Earl got a message from the list stating that YOU tried to   
   list it. That's what is known among legitimate moderators as a hijack   
   attempt. You're not the first dickhead who's done that.   
      
    EC>> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your   
    EC>> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it   
    EC>> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to   
    EC>> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never   
    EC>> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.   
      
    BK>  Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he   
    BK>  said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.   
      
   Obviously, unless you have a history of being the moderator, you can't ban   
   anyone from an echo without proof of moderatorship. The sysops who run the   
   echomail distribution systems won't recognize you as the moderator without   
   echolist proof or a long history as the moderator of said echo.   
      
    BK>  I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs   
    BK>  and 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two   
    BK>  years I have had it listed.   
      
   You're that unstable, eh...   
      
    BK> In several cases I typed it all in rather than reusing an old update,   
    BK> for the simple reason I did not have an old msg available on that   
    BK> service.   
      
   Bullshit. If you've had all this experience that you claim as a moderator   
   and you've been updating echoes, you would be keeping a file on your   
   system that would be easy enough to import to email and send it off.   
   Unless you're dumber than a stump.   
      
   Here's a sample, in case you can't figure it out.   
      
   FROM xxxx22@yahoo.com   
   TAG  POL-INC   
   TITL Politically Incorrect   
      
   PASS xxx+xxxxxx   
   MOD  Roy Witt, 1:10/22, xsyp22@yahoo.com   
   MOD  Dale Ross, 1:379/1,   
   DESC Tired of the same old 2 party system? If so, you are welcome   
   DESC here along with all the other political parties, including   
   DESC those "major 2". There are no favored politics in this Echo.   
   DESC All are free game, or, to paraphrase Abbie Hoffman, 'After   
   DESC a little tenderizing, those sacred cows make best hamburgers.'   
   DESC Please read the rules file or request them upon entering   
   DESC the Echo   
   REST /REA /RUL   
   ORIG 1:10/22   
   DIST Private Distribution. (Zones 1-6)   
   GROUP FIDO   
   LANG  American English, English   
   RUL POL_INC.RUL   
   -+-   
      
   I'm sure you could remember all of that to make your updates. However,   
   this is how to do a shortened version.   
      
      
   FROM rex2@san.rr.com   
   TAG  CWL   
   MOD   Norm Bowden, 3:770/245, normb@paradise.net.nz   
   PASS  #$%CWL@#   
   -+-   
      
   Even that will be hard to type from memory, especially if you don't bother   
   to update your echo for six months (most moderators update every month).   
      
    BK>  BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I   
    BK>  know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct   
    BK>  password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate   
    BK>  echo, when I used a password for another echo.   
      
   See above, Dumbass.   
      
    BK>  Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he   
    BK>  thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?   
      
   None of the above. You're the fool, attempting to justify your hijack   
   attempts when everyone knows you're a liar and are so full of shit it   
   runs out of your mouth.   
      
    BK>  Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to   
    BK>  not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for   
    BK>  integrity would be way out of line.   
      
   As if you ever had any to give.   
      
                   R\%/itt   
      
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