Replying to a message of BOB KLAHN to ALL:   
      
    BK> ~>>  Since I would have no reason to check the list before *RENEWING*   
    BK> ~>>  my echos   
      
    EC>> Notice that he now falls back to weasel-wording.  He   
      
    BK>  Notice how Earl falls back to distortion and deception. Straight    
    BK> out, I do not check my echos to see how they are listed before    
    BK> renewing the listing.   
      
    EC>> already said that he CHECKS the list before sending in a   
    EC>> listing.   
      
    BK>  Yes. I have done that in every case where I listed a new echo. I  do   
    BK> *NOT* do that if I have good reason to believe I already have  the   
    BK> echo listed. Is Earl actually fool enough to try to claim I  meant I   
    BK> recheck the echolist every single time I relist an echo?   
      
    EC>> That led him into a deadend. CHECKS the list   
    EC>> before sending in a listing.  That led him into a deadend.   
      
      
    BK>  No, it did not. It just gave Earl another excuse to twist and   
    BK>  deceive.   
      
    BK>   Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to    
    BK> think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away  with   
    BK> that.   
      
    BK>  When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in  an   
    BK> update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to  Mod Upd.   
      
    BK>  Just so you know a bit about how it works.   
      
    EC>>  He is careful not to say that he DID NOT check the list,   
    EC>>  but to merely say that he HAD NO REASON to do so.   
      
    BK>  Which is why I did not do it. Now, that's said straight out.   
      
    BK>  Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if   
    BK>  you try to list an already listed echo without the correct   
    BK>  password, it won't work.   
      
    BK>  So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the   
    BK>  echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not   
    BK>  work.   
      
    EC>> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your   
    EC>> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it   
    EC>> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to   
    EC>> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never   
    EC>> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.   
      
    BK>  Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he    
    BK> said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.   
      
    BK>  I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs  and   
    BK> 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two  years I   
    BK> have had it listed. In several cases I typed it all in  rather than   
    BK> reusing an old update, for the simple reason I did  not have an old   
    BK> msg available on that service.   
      
    BK>  BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I   
    BK>  know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct   
    BK>  password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate   
    BK>  echo, when I used a password for another echo.   
      
    BK>  Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he    
    BK> thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?   
      
    EC>> His intent is all the more obvious when you look and see   
    EC>> that he had renewed "all politics" and "debate" just 27   
    EC>> days earlier.  Just those two! They were good for the next   
    EC>> six months.  But on November 12 he suddenly tried to list   
    EC>> ALL-POLITICS for the first time, with no accompanying   
    EC>> renewal of "debate."  I had listed it more than TEN MONTHS   
    EC>> earlier, and if he had checked ANY ONE of those lists he   
    EC>> would have KNOWN that fact.   
      
    BK>  Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to   
    BK>  not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for    
    BK> integrity would be way out of line.   
      
    EC>> Just a few days ago he said he   
    EC>> checks the list before trying to list an echo, and now he   
      
    BK>  Yes, to list an echo originally, not to renew a listing.   
      
    EC>> has to backtrack so far as to pretend that he hadn't   
    EC>> checked the list for ten months!  He doesn't want to say   
    EC>> that, though, so he weasels with talk about whether or not   
    EC>> he had a "reason" to do it.   
      
    BK>  Earl will take any sliver of an opening to deceive. Since anyone  who   
    BK> reads the echolist home page knows you get a notice if  someone tries   
    BK> to list your echo, either Earl knows a lot less  than he likes to   
    BK> pretend, or Earl is just assuming you can be  easily deceived.   
      
    BK> BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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