~>>  Since I would have no reason to check the list before *RENEWING*   
   ~>>  my echos   
      
    EC> Notice that he now falls back to weasel-wording.  He   
      
    Notice how Earl falls back to distortion and deception. Straight   
    out, I do not check my echos to see how they are listed before   
    renewing the listing.   
      
    EC> already said that he CHECKS the list before sending in a   
    EC> listing.   
      
    Yes. I have done that in every case where I listed a new echo. I   
    do *NOT* do that if I have good reason to believe I already have   
    the echo listed. Is Earl actually fool enough to try to claim I   
    meant I recheck the echolist every single time I relist an echo?   
      
    EC> That led him into a deadend. CHECKS the list   
    EC> before sending in a listing.  That led him into a deadend.   
      
      
    No, it did not. It just gave Earl another excuse to twist and   
    deceive.   
      
     Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to   
    think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away   
    with that.   
      
    When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in   
    an update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to   
    Mod Upd.   
      
    Just so you know a bit about how it works.   
      
    EC>  He is careful not to say that he DID NOT check the list,   
    EC>  but to merely say that he HAD NO REASON to do so.   
      
    Which is why I did not do it. Now, that's said straight out.   
      
    Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if   
    you try to list an already listed echo without the correct   
    password, it won't work.   
      
    So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the   
    echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not   
    work.   
      
    EC> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your   
    EC> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it   
    EC> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to   
    EC> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never   
    EC> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.   
      
    Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he   
    said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.   
      
    I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs   
    and 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two   
    years I have had it listed. In several cases I typed it all in   
    rather than reusing an old update, for the simple reason I did   
    not have an old msg available on that service.   
      
    BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I   
    know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct   
    password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate   
    echo, when I used a password for another echo.   
      
    Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he   
    thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?   
      
    EC> His intent is all the more obvious when you look and see   
    EC> that he had renewed "all politics" and "debate" just 27   
    EC> days earlier.  Just those two! They were good for the next   
    EC> six months.  But on November 12 he suddenly tried to list   
    EC> ALL-POLITICS for the first time, with no accompanying   
    EC> renewal of "debate."  I had listed it more than TEN MONTHS   
    EC> earlier, and if he had checked ANY ONE of those lists he   
    EC> would have KNOWN that fact.   
      
    Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to   
    not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for   
    integrity would be way out of line.   
      
    EC> Just a few days ago he said he   
    EC> checks the list before trying to list an echo, and now he   
      
    Yes, to list an echo originally, not to renew a listing.   
      
    EC> has to backtrack so far as to pretend that he hadn't   
    EC> checked the list for ten months!  He doesn't want to say   
    EC> that, though, so he weasels with talk about whether or not   
    EC> he had a "reason" to do it.   
      
    Earl will take any sliver of an opening to deceive. Since anyone   
    who reads the echolist home page knows you get a notice if   
    someone tries to list your echo, either Earl knows a lot less   
    than he likes to pretend, or Earl is just assuming you can be   
    easily deceived.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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