Earl Croasmun is the master of deception. He posts half truths   
    and supositions to deceive.   
      
   ~>>  Can you deny that the echo was unlisted and dead before I   
   ~>>  revived it?   
      
    EC> Everyone who has followed this thread as it has wandered   
    EC> through various echoes already knows the answers to these   
    EC> tired and empty questions.  This is just for the benefit of   
    EC> casual on-lookers.   
      
    EC> ALL-POLITICS was listed for nearly a decade.  The listing   
    EC> lapsed in early 2006, but it remained in distribution with   
    EC> low traffic for several years. It remained unlisted until   
    EC> Jan 2010, when I listed it.   
      
    It had no traffice when I listed it in 2009. Only due to the   
    fact that I did not notice the punctuation difference, Earl   
    managed to relist it under the old name.   
      
    Earl does not deny that I revived the echo, he just doesn't   
    mention it at all.   
      
    EC> For nearly four years there   
    EC> was no listed moderator, although in 2009 Klahn started   
    EC> posting in the echo and presenting himself as moderator.   
    EC> This in spite of the fact that he had been banned from the   
    EC> echo years earlier.   
      
    Since the echo was delisted and dead I relisted it. That is   
    perfectly legitimate under Fido rules. Another point Earl just   
    doesn't mention.   
      
    ...   
      
    EC> months.  And in his ramblings on the subject he has even   
    EC> claimed that he CHECKS the listings BEFORE he tries to list   
    EC> an echo.  If that were true he would have KNOWN that I held   
    EC> the listing for ten months!   
      
    Since I had a good faith belief that I had properly listed it I   
    had no reason to check the listing of my own echo. Notice he   
    says I tried to list it once. At one time I had 4 echos listed,   
    and I had listed All Pol under two names. Sometimes I would try   
    to renew an echo using the password from another echo, and would   
    get one of those messages. Note, when you try to list an already   
    listed echo you just get a message that you had tried the wrong   
    password. Nothing about it being listed by someone else.   
      
    When I renewed it with the name and password I originally used   
    it went through. I had no reason to question it.   
      
    Also remember, every poster in the echo, including Earl and Ross   
    Cassell, recognized me as the true moderator. Therefore I had   
    goodfaith reason to believe I had proper status as moderator. At   
    no time was my authority questioned by either one of them until   
    Ross Cassell recently brought it up. Ross also told me someone   
    else brought it to his attention, he did not even discover it   
    himself.   
      
    Therefore, all accusations of any deliberate misconduct on my   
    part are false. Since the accusers know of the facts as I listed   
    them, those accusations are lies.   
      
    And not one of them can deny this.   
      
    EC> In the course of his ramblings on the subject, Klahn has   
    EC> also called Bob Ackley and Tim Richardson LIARS when they   
    EC> simply stated what was clear, documented, and irrefutable   
    EC> fact.  This is not exactly new, though, as he also tried to   
    EC> hijack POL_DISORDER from me a few years ago.  He failed at   
    EC> that, too.   
      
    What earl does not mention is Pol_Disorder was also dead and   
    unlisted. And what he also doesn't mention is he tried to take   
    All Politics from me when the echo robot had a problem and   
    delisted the echo. In that case it required the echo robot   
    problem be fixed, and the echo listing was returned to me.   
      
    Also, Ross Cassell tried to take Debate from me the same way.   
      
    IOW, Earl is guilty of what he accuses me of. As is Ross.   
      
    Note also that Pol_Dis is now near dead anyway. Earl collects   
    echos, changes the rules to allow what the previous owner   
    forbade, and then they die.   
      
    Again, Earl is the master of deception, but the facts are known   
    to all who have been in All Politics for more than a few months.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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