HI Bob,   
      
   On Tue 2039-Feb-08 14:44, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:   
      
    RW>> OF course, and one must remember that wahhabism, which is   
    RW>> the root of al qaeda also has close ties to the muslim   
    RW>> brotherhood in Egypt.  I've had much the same thoughts.   
      
   BK>>  Except this arose so fast Al Qaeda didn't have time to set it  up.   
   BK>> And the secularists are behind it in Egypt, the MB is   
   BK>>  keeping a relatively low profile.   
      
    RW> Mmmm, so far what I"ve been able to glean from various   
    RW> sources have mentioned muslim on Christian violence as one   
    RW> of the catalysts that set all this off in Egypt, and that   
    RW> points directly to the MB and the Qaedas.   
      
   BK>  I haven't seen that. Do you have a link? I did see Islamic   
   BK>  clergy gathering around Christian churches to protect them.    
      
   sOme of that noted in this article too.  Sorry no link, came from MEmphis   
   Commercial appeal, iirc wire story, a Sunday   
   edition when this first started a couple weeks ago.   
      
   BK>>  The Caliphate would be another dictatorship, and the people want   
   BK>> democracy.   
      
    RW> Many do, but there's the mb fly in the ointment.   
      
   BK>  I suspect the MB would not like a Caliphate, that would mean  they   
   BK> are ruled from somewhere else, probably Saudi Arabia. Oh,  and until   
   BK> a few decades ago Egyptians denied they were Arabs,  they called   
   BK> themselves Egyptians.   
      
   This is also true.  I'd like to come right out and support a democracy   
   movement over there, meaning that whole part of   
   the world, but so far what I"ve seen with "popular"   
   revolutions is something like Iran.  THIs libertarian did   
   *not* support the Bush doctrine, I don't support in any way   
   propping up repressive governments with troops or money.   
   Not a dime, not a drop of American blood.  LET those people   
   all kill each other in the name of their religion.   
      
      
      
    RW> Acknowledged and agreed.  You notice in the joint committee   
    RW> report of congress a bunch of information suppressed,   
    RW> because they don't really want to acknowledge that publicly.   
      
    RW> Anybody who's read on the subject a bit knows what was   
    RW> being obliquely referenced in the joint committee report,   
    RW> but heavily redacted from the public version.   
      
   BK>  Just read Greg Palast.   
      
   DOn't think I ever have, but read widely on the subject over the years, the   
   history is quite plain to anyone who bothers   
   to acquire real information.   
      
    RW>> Sayyid Qutb and some of the   
    RW>> founders of modern wahhabism were directly tied to the   
    RW>> Muslim brotherhood in Egypt.  IT all is of a piece, and our   
    RW>> so-called experts missed it.  They missed it because they   
    RW>> chose to ignore it.   
      
   BK>>  They missed it because it's Saudi, and the Saudis have the oil.   
   BK>> Therefore they buy the politicians.   
      
    RW> NOt even all of the FBI counterterror folks were aware of   
    RW> it however.  See above.   
      
   BK>  With Saudis involved they wouldn't be allowed to be.   
      
   OF course not, and that's why I have my doubts about this   
   "groundswell for democracy" even though articles I've read   
   just yesterday, NEw YOrk TImes large type weekly dated iirc   
   last Friday stated the MB wants to see Mubarak ousted first   
   then see what comes from there.  The question is what   
   they'll do if they get their wish.  WIll they work with   
   secular leaders to actually govern in the interest of all   
   the people or settle for nothing less than rule by their   
   ISlamic law?  That's the question we should be asking, and   
   keep on asking before we pour in any support at all.   
      
      
   Regards,   
              Richard   
   --- timEd 1.10.y2k+   
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