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   Message 83 of 415   
   BOB KLAHN to ALL   
   Egypt...   
   08 Feb 11 11:17:20   
   
    So he knew the answer to SH's question all along. This is a   
    tacit admission Ross S was right.   
      
   SH>>> How do you know this, Otto?   
      
      
   TR>> He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing anyone who   
   TR>> says things he doesn't like or agree with.   
      
    ...   
      
    TR> Here's something on that for you to chew on:   
      
      
    TR> Mr. Kristol, Stand for Truth   
      
    TR> Bill Kristol has opened the french doors of his ivory   
    TR> tower, stepped out and deigned to address the great   
    TR> unwashed conservative quarter. High above the people and   
    TR> reality, he admonishes those on the right for not embracing   
    TR> the catastrophic events unfolding in the Middle East.   
      
      
    TR> In his opinion piece, Stand for Freedom, he dismisses or   
    TR> summarily denies the concrete facts on the ground. Of   
    TR> course, we all want freedom. Of course, we support voices   
    TR> yearning to be free. We fought for and believed The Bush   
    TR> Doctrine, and still do. But there is far more at work here,   
    TR> as evidenced by the fierce behind-the-scenes jockeying and   
    TR> arm-twisting by the on-the-ascent Muslim Brotherhood, an   
    TR> organization created at the fall of the Ottoman Empire.   
      
    TR> The left wing lemmings are eating up this discourse like   
    TR> maggots on dead flesh, but that is their only joy, so let   
    TR> them have it.   
      
      
    TR> But Kristol is so wrong, inexcusably so. Glenn Beck nailed   
    TR> it. The advance of Islamic supremacism is exactly what is   
    TR> at play here. And we are right to be cautious. Nobody   
    TR> expects Mubarak to survive -- we only care about what comes   
    TR> after. There is Kristol-lite and there is reality.   
      
      
    TR> Muslim Brotherhood: Egyptians demanding restoration of   
    TR> Islamic law   
      
      
    TR> And yet William Kristol writes:   
      
      
    TR> The United States has played a role in helping those   
    TR> transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn't be   
    TR> passive or fretful or defensive. We can   help foster one   
    TR> outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, "Elections   
    TR> will   be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a   
    TR> transition period that gives secular democrats a chance."   
      
      
    TR> Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of   
    TR> how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign   
    TR> of health that a political and intellectual movement does   
    TR> not respond to a complicated set of developments with one   
    TR> voice.   
      
      
    TR> But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants   
    TR> about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from   
    TR> Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the   
    TR> connections between caliphate-promoters and the American   
    TR> left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and   
    TR> the John Birch   Society. He's marginalizing himself, just   
    TR> as his predecessors did back in the   early 1960s.   
      
      
    TR> Nor is it a sign of health when other American   
    TR> conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that   
    TR> they side with the dictator against the democrats.   
      
      
    TR> Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans,   
    TR> of short- sightedness   uncharacteristic of conservatives,   
    TR> of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of   the American   
    TR> conservative tradition.   
      
      
    TR> We welcome freedom. We are not siding with dictators, but   
    TR> fighting against the tyranny of Islamic totalitarianism,   
    TR> and so should you, Mr. Kristol. Shame on you.   
      
      
    TR> We are not naive. We saw these same Western liberals usher   
    TR> in the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini and that, too,   
    TR> changed the world forever, for the worse.   
      
      
    TR> Much worse.   
      
      
    TR> It was not so long ago, after all, when conservatives   
    TR> understood that Middle Eastern dictatorships such as   
    TR> Mubarak's help spawn global terrorism. We needn't remind   
    TR> our readers that the most famous of the 9/11 hijackers,   
    TR> Mohammed Atta, was an Egyptian, as is al Qaeda's number   
    TR> two, Ayman al Zawahiri.   
      
      
    TR> Indeed. Islam produces jihad, Mr. Kristol. Islam produces   
    TR> fundamentalism. The quran commands it, demands it. Millions   
    TR> of jihadis are reading the same playbook. Blaming Mubarak   
    TR> or US policy for jihad is like blaming a woman for being   
    TR> raped (ah, if only she didn't have that vagina, all would   
    TR> be well).   
      
      
    TR> The idea that democracy produces radical Islam is false:   
    TR> Whether in Pakistan,   Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian   
    TR> territories, or Egypt, it is the dictatorships   that have   
    TR> promoted and abetted Islamic radicalism. (Hamas, lest we   
    TR> forget,   established its tyranny in Gaza through   
    TR> nondemocratic means.)   
      
      
    TR> Is that so? So please, Mr. islamic scholar Kristol, explain   
    TR> all of the jihadists and home grown terrorists born and   
    TR> raised in Western nations. Think, man.   
      
      
    TR> Quoting Robert Spencer, "Muslims are the first immigrant   
    TR> group that has ever come to this country with a ready-made   
    TR> model of society and government they believe to be superior   
    TR> to what we have here."   
      
      
    TR> What irks me is that Kristol is dead wrong on Beck's   
    TR> presentation. Finally, someone had the gonads to speak to   
    TR> Islamic supremacism and its global project, and Kristol has   
    TR> the gall to smack him down. How the Weekly Standard has   
    TR> failed the right!  Mnay of us have been covering this for   
    TR> years, perplexed and disturbed that no one in the   
    TR> mainstream media dare touch it.   
      
      
    TR> The left always aligns itself with the totalitarian   
    TR> ideology of the day (ie Stalinism, communism, national   
    TR> socialism [nazism]), and so it is with Islamic supremacism.   
    TR> Those of us covering the anti-America, anti-war, anti   
    TR> israel movement have documented this for years. CODE PINK,   
    TR> ANSWER, Al Awda, Socialist Workers Party, International   
    TR> Solidarity Movement (ISM), CAIR, ISNA, If Americans Knew   
    TR> (IAK), Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA), Muslim   
    TR> American Society (MAS), Students for Justice in Palestine   
    TR> (SJP).   
      
      
    TR> Trust me, Mr. Kristol, Beck did not "invent" that.   
      
      
    TR> There is nothing that Beck said was inaccurate. It's all   
    TR> there. You don't have to look for ghosts. There is vast   
    TR> historical, political, judicial evidence of the global   
    TR> jihad and its ties. As for the existence of the violent   
    TR> goals of the caliphate, read the quran and hadith. Or   
    TR> better yet,  take a quick look at the past millennium and   
    TR> the 270 million victims of jihadi wars, land   
    TR> appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements.   
      
      
    TR> An American conservatism that looks back to 1776 cannot   
    TR> turn its back on the Egyptian people. We should wish them   
    TR> well, and we should work to help them achieve as good an   
    TR> outcome as possible.   
      
      
    TR> This prig is lecturing us on 1776? We live it. Every day. I   
    TR> have for the past nine years since 911. I strongly   
    TR> recommend Mr. Kristol step back and read Ibn Warraq, Wafa   
    TR> Sultan, Sir Martin Gilbert, Mark Durie, Jewish history, the   
    TR> Muslim Brotherhood project, the news accounts of the jihad   
    TR> in Thailand, Somalia, the Philippines, Ethiopia, China,   
    TR> Beslan, Moscow, London, Madrid, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan,   
    TR> Tunisia, Kenya ....... you get the picture.   
      
    TR> ---   
    TR> *Durango b301 #PE*   
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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