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|    BOB KLAHN to ALL    |
|    Egypt...    |
|    08 Feb 11 11:17:20    |
       So he knew the answer to SH's question all along. This is a        tacit admission Ross S was right.              SH>>> How do you know this, Otto?                     TR>> He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing anyone who       TR>> says things he doesn't like or agree with.               ...               TR> Here's something on that for you to chew on:                      TR> Mr. Kristol, Stand for Truth               TR> Bill Kristol has opened the french doors of his ivory        TR> tower, stepped out and deigned to address the great        TR> unwashed conservative quarter. High above the people and        TR> reality, he admonishes those on the right for not embracing        TR> the catastrophic events unfolding in the Middle East.                      TR> In his opinion piece, Stand for Freedom, he dismisses or        TR> summarily denies the concrete facts on the ground. Of        TR> course, we all want freedom. Of course, we support voices        TR> yearning to be free. We fought for and believed The Bush        TR> Doctrine, and still do. But there is far more at work here,        TR> as evidenced by the fierce behind-the-scenes jockeying and        TR> arm-twisting by the on-the-ascent Muslim Brotherhood, an        TR> organization created at the fall of the Ottoman Empire.               TR> The left wing lemmings are eating up this discourse like        TR> maggots on dead flesh, but that is their only joy, so let        TR> them have it.                      TR> But Kristol is so wrong, inexcusably so. Glenn Beck nailed        TR> it. The advance of Islamic supremacism is exactly what is        TR> at play here. And we are right to be cautious. Nobody        TR> expects Mubarak to survive -- we only care about what comes        TR> after. There is Kristol-lite and there is reality.                      TR> Muslim Brotherhood: Egyptians demanding restoration of        TR> Islamic law                      TR> And yet William Kristol writes:                      TR> The United States has played a role in helping those        TR> transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn't be        TR> passive or fretful or defensive. We can help foster one        TR> outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, "Elections        TR> will be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a        TR> transition period that gives secular democrats a chance."                      TR> Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of        TR> how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign        TR> of health that a political and intellectual movement does        TR> not respond to a complicated set of developments with one        TR> voice.                      TR> But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants        TR> about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from        TR> Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the        TR> connections between caliphate-promoters and the American        TR> left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and        TR> the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just        TR> as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.                      TR> Nor is it a sign of health when other American        TR> conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that        TR> they side with the dictator against the democrats.                      TR> Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans,        TR> of short- sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives,        TR> of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American        TR> conservative tradition.                      TR> We welcome freedom. We are not siding with dictators, but        TR> fighting against the tyranny of Islamic totalitarianism,        TR> and so should you, Mr. Kristol. Shame on you.                      TR> We are not naive. We saw these same Western liberals usher        TR> in the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini and that, too,        TR> changed the world forever, for the worse.                      TR> Much worse.                      TR> It was not so long ago, after all, when conservatives        TR> understood that Middle Eastern dictatorships such as        TR> Mubarak's help spawn global terrorism. We needn't remind        TR> our readers that the most famous of the 9/11 hijackers,        TR> Mohammed Atta, was an Egyptian, as is al Qaeda's number        TR> two, Ayman al Zawahiri.                      TR> Indeed. Islam produces jihad, Mr. Kristol. Islam produces        TR> fundamentalism. The quran commands it, demands it. Millions        TR> of jihadis are reading the same playbook. Blaming Mubarak        TR> or US policy for jihad is like blaming a woman for being        TR> raped (ah, if only she didn't have that vagina, all would        TR> be well).                      TR> The idea that democracy produces radical Islam is false:        TR> Whether in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian        TR> territories, or Egypt, it is the dictatorships that have        TR> promoted and abetted Islamic radicalism. (Hamas, lest we        TR> forget, established its tyranny in Gaza through        TR> nondemocratic means.)                      TR> Is that so? So please, Mr. islamic scholar Kristol, explain        TR> all of the jihadists and home grown terrorists born and        TR> raised in Western nations. Think, man.                      TR> Quoting Robert Spencer, "Muslims are the first immigrant        TR> group that has ever come to this country with a ready-made        TR> model of society and government they believe to be superior        TR> to what we have here."                      TR> What irks me is that Kristol is dead wrong on Beck's        TR> presentation. Finally, someone had the gonads to speak to        TR> Islamic supremacism and its global project, and Kristol has        TR> the gall to smack him down. How the Weekly Standard has        TR> failed the right! Mnay of us have been covering this for        TR> years, perplexed and disturbed that no one in the        TR> mainstream media dare touch it.                      TR> The left always aligns itself with the totalitarian        TR> ideology of the day (ie Stalinism, communism, national        TR> socialism [nazism]), and so it is with Islamic supremacism.        TR> Those of us covering the anti-America, anti-war, anti        TR> israel movement have documented this for years. CODE PINK,        TR> ANSWER, Al Awda, Socialist Workers Party, International        TR> Solidarity Movement (ISM), CAIR, ISNA, If Americans Knew        TR> (IAK), Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA), Muslim        TR> American Society (MAS), Students for Justice in Palestine        TR> (SJP).                      TR> Trust me, Mr. Kristol, Beck did not "invent" that.                      TR> There is nothing that Beck said was inaccurate. It's all        TR> there. You don't have to look for ghosts. There is vast        TR> historical, political, judicial evidence of the global        TR> jihad and its ties. As for the existence of the violent        TR> goals of the caliphate, read the quran and hadith. Or        TR> better yet, take a quick look at the past millennium and        TR> the 270 million victims of jihadi wars, land        TR> appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements.                      TR> An American conservatism that looks back to 1776 cannot        TR> turn its back on the Egyptian people. We should wish them        TR> well, and we should work to help them achieve as good an        TR> outcome as possible.                      TR> This prig is lecturing us on 1776? We live it. Every day. I        TR> have for the past nine years since 911. I strongly        TR> recommend Mr. Kristol step back and read Ibn Warraq, Wafa        TR> Sultan, Sir Martin Gilbert, Mark Durie, Jewish history, the        TR> Muslim Brotherhood project, the news accounts of the jihad        TR> in Thailand, Somalia, the Philippines, Ethiopia, China,        TR> Beslan, Moscow, London, Madrid, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan,        TR> Tunisia, Kenya ....... you get the picture.               TR> ---        TR> *Durango b301 #PE*              BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)    |
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