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|    BOB KLAHN to ALL    |
|    Why Obama Care will survive    |
|    30 Dec 10 15:53:28    |
       Obamacare... national health care, passed under Obama, much as        proposed by Richard Nixon 40 years ago.               Seven of the 24 lawsuits against the law have been dismissed.        Most of the rest are awaiting motions or decisions on motions.        Only two appear to have serious standing so far. Both only on        the matter of the mandate.               All of the lawsuits considered by most to have a real chance        focus on the mandate.               Actually, almost all the suits involve the mandate. One of these        seems to be closely watched.               Obamacare, and I believe Democrats should embrace the name, will        surive those lawsuits. What the right misses is, those lawsuits        will pretty much guarantee the survival of the law.               If those lawsuits fail, and they will surely go to the supreme        court, that's it, the law will stand. Game over.               If one of the lawsuits prevails, and that will still go all the        way to the supreme court, that will only eliminate the mandate.        As much as the mandate is a critical part of the bill, it will        survive without it.               What the right misses about this is, the mandate is the only        part of the bill that the public opposes. Most of the rest of        the bill provides things the American people do support for the        most part, or are indifferent to.               The people support banning insurance refusal for pre-existing        conditions.               The people do believe children should be covered.               The people do believe the elderly should be able to consult with        their doctors or other health care professionals about end of        life care.               The public does support Hospice care.               All this dispite the fact that the right has lied about much of        this.               And if it ever gets close to the bill being declared        unconstitutional on it's basis, the American people will wake        up to the fact that if National Health Care is unconstitutional,        so is Medicare.               If the republicans put this country in a position where Medicare        is at risk of being declared unconstitutional the republicans        will face holy hell.               So, if the mandate stands, game over.               If the mandate fails, Obamacare stands without it. That and the        republicans will be faced with growing millions losing health        care coverage, and they will have to come up with some way to        provide it.               Obama care will survive, and coverage will be provided to the        entire population, either by the mandate, or some other means.               I have always opposed the mandate, not because it's morally        wrong, but because it's dumb. There is no way the government is        going to come up with any standard by which they are going to        establish a value of "affordable coverage" that actually means        anything to a lot of people. If you fine someone for not haveing        coverage, and that person doesn't have coverage because he's too        poor to afford it, the fine just makes his poverty worse.               However, some means will have to be found to provide care for        all if this is to remain a decent country. And it will,        eventually. How many will die before then is the question those        opposing national health care will have to live with.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Don't tell me you are pro-life if you don't support health care for all.       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)    |
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