-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 03-30-13  15:12 <=-   
      
    NB>> Most of the evidence points to highly refined foods being problems   
    ML> If you get your fiber and vities some way, refined food is   
    ML> probably mostly okay. They say that corn products are worse   
    ML> than other things, though.   
      
   The biggest trick is getting everything that's been taken out some other   
   way, especially if one doesn't even necessarily know about some of the   
   nutrients one is missing...   
       
    NB>> nutritionally.  Take things out of their original form where the good   
    NB>> and the bad balance out, and end up with the worst parts not being   
    NB>> balanced at all, and you will indeed most likely have problems...   
    ML> I'm not into obsessive balance, but if your body needs   
    ML> something and you don't get it from anywhere, I agree that   
    ML> you have to fix that.   
       
   I'm not obsessive about it, but we do try to eat things that are less   
   highly processed and are in more of a natural state... to cut down on   
   the balancing acts afterwards, as much as anything else... ;)   
      
    ML>> But the fiber should count for something, when the kernels   
    ML>> are served (rather than flour, meal, etc.).   
    NB>> I'd think so, too.  :)  Whole grain corn meal keeps the fiber, too.   
    ML> I seldom if ever see whole grain corn meal and am sure that   
    ML> I would not like it if I did.   
      
   It makes a pretty good cornbread... :)   
      
    NB>> Certainly... it helps that we are only needing to feed the two of us,   
    NB>> and that we're less fussy about 3 squares a day nowadays... As long as   
    NB>> I keep the weekly grocery bill under something reasonable, we can get   
    NB>> just about anything we want, so splurges aren't out of the question...   
      
    ML> But you choose your splurges.    
      
   True.   
      
    ML> Here at Annie's, we're on   
    ML> a rota of prime rib, sirloin strip, ribeye, shad roe ...   
    ML> when she had people over for dinner, she served them   
    ML> spag bol for dinner, though; I think that as the guests   
    ML> are notoriously frugal, she feels that she's going to be   
    ML> frugal to them as well, which I think is not good, especially   
    ML> as she serves their rich cousins fancy food, even though they   
    ML> don't have her or me over at all. I felt a little guilty   
    ML> about this so did a teriyaki ribeye for appies beforehand.   
      
   Maybe if she did more splurging for them, they'd reciprocate...?    
   Besides, that sort of thing shouldn't really be tit for tat, though I   
   know of too many that operate that way...     
      
    NB>> Maybe the guy needs some of the facelift stuff to make him more   
    NB>> plausible...?  It's all just hype, anyway... :)   
    ML> I imagine it is. One of the suppressed bits of evidence is   
    ML> that those who are somewhat overweight have just as good a   
    ML> life expectancy as those of ideal BMI and tend to live longer   
    ML> than the skinny people.   
      
   Letting that bit out of the bag would destroy the entire diet   
   industry... ;)     
       
    NB>> ... Eat healthy, exercise, get plenty of sleep -- die healthy!   
    ML> Eat vegetarian, you won't live any longer, it'll just seem   
    ML> that way.   
      
   [smile]   
      
    ML> Poor man's asparagus, pommes charlotte with caviar   
    ML> M's note: I find this an interesting recipe even in its   
    ML> contradictoriness. Poor man, indeed! I would be a really   
    ML> poor man and leave off the caviar, substituting, if anything,   
    ML> regular sieved egg. I am not sure about the identity of the   
    ML> Charlotte potato.   
      
   Doesn't sound all that poorman to me, either...  :)  Asparagus itself is   
   pretty pricey, although it finally is getting more seasonable... down   
   from 5.99/lb at the peak to a much more reasonable 1.99...  Reminds me   
   of the famous Marie Antoinette mentality... ;)   
      
   ttyl         neb   
      
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