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    MH>>> I have thought the exact same thing before. Conservative when it   
    MH>>> comes to spending, not people's rights. Conservatives follow the   
    MH>>> constituation - liberals ignore it or want to change it as they   
    MH>>> see fit. Afterall, they know what is best for us average people   
    MH>>> in the US population.. :)   
      
    BA>> Conservatives *claim* to follow the Constitution, in practice they do as   
    BA>> much damage   
    BA>> to it as liberals. The horribly misnamed USA PATRIOT Act to name just   
   one.   
      
    JH> On balance, if you go back to the beginning of the   
    JH> entitlement era (1932), I think you'll find that the most   
    JH> egregious damage has been done by Democrats/liberals.  They   
      
    Nope. Bush alone did more damage than democrats did since then.   
    Real damage, not pretend damage.   
      
    JH> were the first to start dipping into the Social Security   
    JH> trust fund,   
      
    The trust fund was invested in Treasury securities from it's   
    inception.   
      
    JH> they passed Johnson's Guns and Butter welfare crap   
      
    Johnson's plan was a work based plan. Welfare existed before   
    Johnson, and his attempt to turn it into work was killed by   
    conservatives.   
      
    Oh, and Johnson's policies still kept the debt/GDP ratio going   
    down.   
      
    JH> they passed Medicare, they passed Food Stamps, etc.   
      
    Medicare has been one of America's great success stories.   
      
    JFK and LBJ got food stamps started up, but the big expansion   
    was under Nixon/Ford.   
      
    JH> Now, to be sure, Republicans were complicate in some of   
    JH> those, but basically it was Democrats who own the   
    JH> entitlement problem.   
      
    Entitlements are not the problem, jobs are. And republicans own   
    the unemployment problem.   
      
    JH> After all, most the stuff prior to   
    JH> Obama happened between 1945 and 1994 when the Democrats   
    JH> were in control of the House and at least partially in   
    JH> control of the Senate for the vast majority of that period.   
      
    And republicans were in control of the presidency and partially   
    or completely in control of congress most of the time from 1980   
    till 2009. Yet they did not solve one single problem in this   
    line.   
      
      
      
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