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|    BOB KLAHN to ALL    |
|    Welfare state    |
|    13 Mar 11 04:33:54    |
       JB> This should make the Dems happy..... and the rest of us        JB> afraid...               It should make you afraid, because it's your fault.               Note that they conflate social welfare with welfare. They define        social welfare as anything that isn't military.               They also declare a conflict between increasing earned wages and        decreasing welfare, not even coming up with the idea that the        way to reduce welfare *IS* to increase earned wages.               They do mention the economic problems as a contributor to the        problem, but fail to make it clear that the recession, following        8 years of Bush league economics, is the actual cause of the        problem.               We democrats want to end welfare, by having enough jobs to        employ all who need a job. Do that and welfare becomes moot,        except for the very few who are so severly handicapped they will        never be able to work.               Oh, and they strongly imply social security is welfare, and a        major cause of the problem.               JB> ========================================              http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508               JB> Welfare State: Handouts Make Up One-Third of U.S. Wages               JB> Published: Tuesday, 8 Mar 2011 | 3:59 PM ET        JB> By: John Melloy        JB> Executive Producer, Fast Money               JB> Government payouts, including Social Security, Medicare and        JB> unemployment insurance—make up more than a third of total        JB> wages and salaries of the U.S. population, a record figure        JB> that will only increase if action isn’t taken before the        JB> majority of Baby Boomers enter retirement.               JB>               JB> Even as the economy has recovered, social welfare benefits        JB> make up 35 percent of wages and salaries this year, up from        JB> 21 percent in 2000 and 10 percent in 1960, according to        JB> TrimTabs Investment Research using Bureau of Economic        JB> Analysis data.               JB> “The U.S. economy has become alarmingly dependent on        JB> government stimulus,” said Madeline Schnapp, director of        JB> Macroeconomic Research at TrimTabs, in a note to clients.        JB> “Consumption supported by wages and salaries is a much        JB> stronger foundation for economic growth than consumption        JB> based on social welfare benefits.”               JB> The economist gives the country two stark choices. In order        JB> to get welfare back to its pre-recession ratio of 26        JB> percent of pay, “either wages and salaries would have to        JB> increase $2.3 trillion, or 35 percent, to $8.8 trillion, or        JB> social welfare benefits would have to decline $500 billion,        JB> or 23 percent, to $1.7 trillion,” she said.               JB> Last month, the Republican-led House of Representatives        JB> passed a $61 billion federal spending cut, but Senate        JB> Democratic leaders and the White House made it clear that        JB> had no chance of becoming law. Short-term resolutions        JB> passed have averted a government shutdown that could have        JB> occurred this month, as Vice President Biden leads        JB> negotiations with Republican leaders on some sort of        JB> long-term compromise.               JB> Smart Traders Taking Profits In Oil?        JB> Three ECB Rate Hikes, Too Much of a Good Thing for Euro?        JB> SLIDESHOW: Fast Money’s ‘Beat China’ Playbook        JB> “You’ve got to cut back government spending and the        JB> Republicans will run on this platform leading up to next        JB> year’s election,” said Joe Terranova, Chief Market        JB> Strategist for Virtus Investment Partners and a “Fast        JB> Money” trader.               JB>               JB> Terranova noted some sort of opt out for social security or        JB> even raising the retirement age.               JB> But the country may not be ready for these tough choices,        JB> even though economists like Schnapp say something will have        JB> to be done to avoid a significant economic crisis.               JB> A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released last week        JB> showed that less than a quarter of Americans supported        JB> making cuts to Social Security or Medicare in order to        JB> reign in the mounting budget deficit.               JB> Those poll numbers may be skewed by a demographic shift the        JB> likes of which the nation has never seen. Only this year        JB> has the first round of baby boomers begun collecting        JB> Medicare benefits—and here comes 78 million more.               JB> Social welfare benefits have increased by $514 billion over        JB> the last two years, according to TrimTabs figures, in part        JB> because of measures implemented to fight the financial        JB> crisis. Government spending normally takes on a larger part        JB> of the spending pie during economic calamities but how can        JB> the country change this make-up with the root of the crisis        JB> (housing) still on shaky ground, benchmark interest rates        JB> already cut to zero, and a demographic shift that calls for        JB> an increase in subsidies?               JB> At the very least, we can take solace in the fact that        JB> we’re not quite at the state welfare levels of Europe. In        JB> the U.K., social welfare benefits make up 44 percent of        JB> wages and salaries, according to TrimTabs’ Schnapp.               JB> “No matter how bad the situation is in the US, we stand far        JB> better on these issues (debt, demographics,        JB> entrepreneurship) than other countries,” said Steve Cortes        JB> of Veracruz Research. “On a relative basis, America remains        JB> the world leader and, as such, will also remain the world's        JB> reserve currency.”               JB> --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10        JB> * Origin: (1:226/600)              BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... The problem is jobs... the solution is jobs...       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Since 1991 And Were Still Here! DOCSPLACE.TZO.COM (1:123/140)    |
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