Just a sample of the Echomail archive
Cooperative anarchy at its finest, still active today. Darkrealms is the Zone 1 Hub.
|    CONTROVERSIAL    |    Controversial Topics, current events, at    |    415 messages    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
|    Message 123 of 415    |
|    BOB KLAHN to ALL    |
|    The world as it is (was and will be).    |
|    20 Feb 11 22:38:52    |
       An ordinary citizen's analysis of our economic situation.               This is not a professional paper, or a thesis in economics,        just the view of an ordinary person developed over decades of        watching the economy and 63 years of life experience.               America's national debt is over $14 trillion dollars. Our        national debt is nearly equal to 90% of our entire economy as        measured by the GDP. This percentage is known as the debt load.               The deficit has become pretty much the only real focus of one        political party, and much of America. Debt and deficit are a        continuing point of dispute in the media. Yet should the debt        and deficit be so much the focus? Is it going to burden our        children and our grandchildren? Let me lay out a scenario for        you.               It is shortly after the war on two fronts has ended. We have an        unemployment rate going up and veterans coming back often to        jobs that no longer exist. The national debt has exploded,        rising to 110% of our GDP, and we are coming out of one        recession and heading into another.               Consider that, then ask, is this our future?               I don't know, but I do know, this is our history. This is our        past. This is the world I was born into.               In the year 1947, when I was born, World War Two had recently        ended, millions of men were coming home, not the hundreds of        thousands of this war. The debt was equal to 110% of our        economy, which was down from the 122% of just a year before. It        was a world war, though, so we had to face that. We had a        recession in 1945, and another in 1948. Sounds pretty bad,        doesn't it?               Though the actual numbers were low compared to today, the        percentages were worse. After all, we have a vastly larger        economy today to deal with that debt. Which is like being able        to afford a larger mortgage because you have a larger income.               Still, the debt at 110% of GDP was much more of a debt burden        than we have today. Yet we did survive, and prosper.               According to the Federal Budget History files, 2011: At the end        of WWII the debt load was almost 122% of GDP. It went down        under every president, war and peace, recession or prosperity,        liberal or conservative, republican or democrat, from 1945 until        it was down below 33% in 1980.               What was the key? Many I have talked to about this say we did        it because the US was nearly untouched by the war, but Europe        and Asia were devastated. From 1945 to 1960 that might be the        explanation, but by 1960 Europe and Japan were pretty well        rebuilt and coming back. Yet the debt load went down. By 1970        Europe was thriving, and Japan was gaining a reputation as an        economic champion. Still the debt load went down. When 1980 came        around Japan was famed as an economic powerhouse, and Europe was        strong and growing. In spite of which the debt load went down,        until 1980.               I believe it went down because Americans were working and        producing and creating the wealth that built the economy and        brought down the debt load.               In 1980 the debt burden was 33% of the economy, the GDP. By the        time Obama took office it had gone up to pushing 90% of the        GDP, and approaching $12 Trillion.               So, Obama was handed an economy that was in recession and at        risk of another depression, fighting two wars, and a debt load        that is headed for crushing. If the country went into depression        the GDP could drop as much as 50%. The debt would not drop, so        the debt load would become horrendous. 90% jumps to 180%. Higher        than this country has ever seen. If the GDP dropped 25% that        still pushes up the debt load back to the WWII level of 120%.               This is also history, except that we survived it that time.        From 1929 to 1933 the nation's GNP went down 46% Back then they        used GNP instead of GDP, but the numbers are close enough for        our purposes.               The GNP went down, but the debt didn't. They don't reduce your        debt just because your income goes down. So the debt went from        16% of GNP to 30% before one more dollar was borrowed. In fact,        more money was borrowed, it was the depression remember, so the        total debt went to 40% of GNP. Still low by today's standards,        but remember, by 1980 our debt load of 33% was near the 1932        level.               All of the increase in the debt load from World War II until        Obama took office was accumulated under three anti-tax        presidents. That's 100%. Every other president brought it down.               In looking at the growth of the national debt I found the fact that it        doubled in some president's terms interesting, so I looked into the factor        of debt multiplication. In looking at this I was focusing on short term        multiplication, first in 10 year increments, then in presidential terms.        What I found was, there are long stretches where the debt doubles slowly,        and short periods where it multiplies. From 1929 on though, slow or fast,        it's up almost continuously.               Looking back to the middle of the 1800s till today I find periods of        multiplication, over short periods, with similar characteristics. I have        concluded there are only two causes associated with debt multiplication,        war and recession. We have both.               So, how do we cut the deficit, and the growth of the debt? And how fast do        we have to do it? In 1936 recovery from the Great Depression was well        along. At that point FDR was persuaded to try to reduce the debt, by        cutting back on his "stimulus" programs. In 1938 economists were writing        up articles on why the nation went back into recession in 1937. The nation        didn't recover to its 1929 level until 1941, just before WWII began. So        when to cut back is a crucial matter of timing.               From 1960 until 2001 federal spending ranged from 17% to nearly 23% of        GDP. It was running in the 18% range in the late '90s. After 2001 it went        up hitting near 25% by the time Obama took office.               These are important numbers. Remember, the common standard for a recession        is two quarters of declining GDP. Not quite accurate, but we can work with        it. With federal spending at 25% of GDP, any reduction comes right out of        GDP. Normal GDP growth is targeted at the 3% range. Much more than that        and the Federal Reserve starts having fits. A 10% cut would mean 2.5% off        the GDP. Cut 20% and you cut 5% off the GDP, which is instant recession.        Do we want to go that way?               Any reduction of federal spending means shifting the economy to the        private sector. Moving back to the pre-2001 levels requires a balanced        shift to avoid bringing the recession back. And that means economic        recovery. With unemployment as high as it is, the only way we will manage        that sort of shift is with job growth. Not just jobs, but well-paid jobs.               There is no way we are going to achieve that in a reasonable length of        time through the new economic thinking. The information based or green        based economy will not develop enough good jobs fast enough to do the job.        We need to bring back industry to this country. We need to manufacture        what we consume. That does not require a revolution in our educational        system or our regulator system, it requires a revolution in our thinking.               Back in 2007 the Wall Street Journal reported a poll of Republicans showed        60% thought free trade was bad for America. Many of us have held to the        call for Fair Trade, not Free Trade. That is the solution.               Until we can do that, the only agency that can keep this country afloat is        the federal government. The federal government can borrow money to keep        the system from collapsing, the states cannot. If the states start going        under, if layoffs are resurgent, we may yet see a depression. Whether we        can recover from that is uncertain, this time.               Are our children and grand children going to have to pay for this? Yes,        just like we did. The question is how will they do it.               The only fix for our problem is jobs, well-paid jobs. Any tinkering with        the federal budget to try to solve the debt problem with cuts will        probably just aggravate the problem.               Jobs are the problem. Jobs are the solution.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... The problem is jobs... the solution is jobs...       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)    |
[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]
(c) 1994, bbs@darkrealms.ca