Hi Bob,   
      
   On Sat 2039-Feb-19 18:09, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:   
      
   BK>  Of course we won't. That would take facing down the republicans.    
   BK> The administration would defend their failure to do that as    
   BK> "picking our battles." This is the battle they should chose to    
   BK> fight.   
      
   Right, but I don't see us moving to even support those   
   movements.  FIrst, even if we would find intervention   
   desirable we're already spread too thin militarily, so we'll have to just   
   watch and see what happens.   
      
    RW>> MIght be, but still imho appeared to be another despotic   
    RW>> state, iow a theocracy.   
      
   BK>>  So is Israel, but that doesn't stop us from supporting them.  Iran   
   BK>> was on the way to democracy. Who knows how much of the  detour is   
   BK>> due to Bush trashing them.   
      
    RW> WHO can tell, but as for ISrael, I haven't been an ISrael   
    RW> supporter for a long time.   
      
   BK>  I hold that the only right to exist Israel has is the same as  any   
   BK> other nation, the fact that they do exist. That does not  imply a   
   BK> requirement on our part that we support every extreme  thing they   
   BK> do.   
      
   That's essentially my position.  tHey exist, that's a fact   
   of life, but that doesn't mean we should prop them up.   
      
      
      
   BK>>  Yeah, but climate change is a fraud don't you know. Ask the   
   BK>> Australians swimming in their streets, or the Chinese enjoying   
   BK>> their extended dry spell, or the African nations now getting  ready   
   BK>> to fight over the Nile water.   
      
    RW> I'm supposed to buy into the assertion this is a fraud made   
    RW> by the same scamsters who ripped off the American taxpayer   
    RW> to the tune of millions for this tarp horse hockey.   I'm gonna rush right out and do that.>   
      
   BK>  You do realize that was the ironic form of speech, don't you?    
      
   Knew that .  Still these anti science barbarians get   
   about as much respect from me as do the Qaedas.   
   Imho they're dangerous to the survival of the human race.   
      
    RW>> Agreed, to a point.  Local self determination is always   
    RW>> preferrable, but i have the same objections to a   
    RW>> "christian" theocracy, or any other theocracy for that   
    RW>> matter.    
      
   BK>>  I agree. As I said, mix government and religion and it's bad for   
   BK>> both.   
      
    RW> OF course it is, but we still have plenty of that mixture,   
    RW> and the religionists want more.   
      
   BK>  Obama should abolish the Office of Faith Based Initiatives.    
   BK> Straight out abolish it as unconstitutional.   
      
   I've thought that should be declared unconstitutional from   
   the get-go.   
      
   BK>>  Need to also declare any corporate involvement in suppressing   
   BK>> human rights won't be tolerated, and we don't care what country   
   BK>> that corporation is from.   
      
    RW> But then we'd be severely punishing our own, and punishing   
    RW> the biggest ISrael boosters from their NEw York City board   
    RW> rooms.   
      
   BK>  I feel so sad for them. (Stopping to wipe a tear from the corner    
   BK> of my eye.)   
      
   ME too .   
      
   BK>>  Just today reading the reason Al Qaeda has been totally silent  on   
   BK>> Egypt, it's a denial of everything Al Qaeda stands for. Seems  Al   
   BK>> Qaeda hates the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB renounced   
   BK>>  violence, and this revolution was pulled off peacefully. Al  Qaeda   
   BK>> stands for violent revolution, and this shows them up  badly.   
      
    RW> COol!   
      
   If stable truly representative governments do happen to   
   spring up the Qaedas have lost their best recruiting tool.   
   They know this.  tHIs is the biggest reason we should aid   
   and abet those movements.   
      
   Regards,   
              Richard   
   --- timEd 1.10.y2k+   
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