HEllo Bob,
On Thu 2039-Feb-17 23:51, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:
BK> Well... yeah. And we should pull the 5th fleet out of Bahrain.
BK> They have the same sort of protests, and are killing the
BK> protestors. We don't need to be getting tied to that.
INdeed we should, but probably won't.
RW>> EH? 1979-80 didn't look like a friendly democratic regime
RW>> to me. I grant they were growing that direction. IN fact,
BK>> By 2001 they were supporting the US in the WOT. However, Bush
BK>> needed enemies more than he needed allies.
RW> MIght be, but still imho appeared to be another despotic
RW> state, iow a theocracy.
BK> So is Israel, but that doesn't stop us from supporting them. Iran
BK> was on the way to democracy. Who knows how much of the detour is
BK> due to Bush trashing them.
WHO can tell, but as for ISrael, I haven't been an ISrael
supporter for a long time.
BK>>> Since mid Dec of last year, Tunisia and Egypt have had
BK>>> successful rebellions. Jordan, Algeria, Yemen and Bahrain have
BK>>> been subject to enough protests to force the governments to make
BK>>> changes.
RW>> RIght, and that one could still blow up even though the
RW>> vote is in. There's still some pretty bad blood in Sudan.
BK> True. The US needs to talk to the leaders there, and let them
BK> know, if they go for democracy they get full support.
BK>> Yep. It could. Which is why the US needs to get out of Iraq and
BK>> Afghanisan, so we can have a credible military to support
BK>> democratic govts when the locals establish them.
RW> wHole region is still a powderkeg, and likely to get worse
RW> as climate conditions change.
BK> Yeah, but climate change is a fraud don't you know. Ask the
BK> Australians swimming in their streets, or the Chinese enjoying
BK> their extended dry spell, or the African nations now getting ready
BK> to fight over the Nile water.
I'm supposed to buy into the assertion this is a fraud made
by the same scamsters who ripped off the American taxpayer
to the tune of millions for this tarp horse hockey.
BK>>> democracy. Supporting a country on the basis of how it suits our
BK>>> needs is how we lose countries. It's how we are losing in Iraq and
BK>>> Afghanistan. It's how Iran and Venezuala turned against us. It's
BK>>> how we lost in Vietnam.
RW> Agreed, to a point. Local self determination is always
RW> preferrable, but i have the same objections to a
RW> "christian" theocracy, or any other theocracy for that
RW> matter.
BK> I agree. As I said, mix government and religion and it's bad for
BK> both.
OF course it is, but we still have plenty of that mixture,
and the religionists want more.
BK>>> We need to look at one thing only, what is best for the people
BK>>> there.
RW>> Indeed, that should be the biggest factor in our decision.
RW> But it rarely is, it's usually commercial interests that
RW> carry the day.
BK> Need to also declare any corporate involvement in suppressing
BK> human rights won't be tolerated, and we don't care what country
BK> that corporation is from.
But then we'd be severely punishing our own, and punishing
the biggest ISrael boosters from their NEw York City board
rooms.
BK>> Which takes us back to the Wahabi, and the Saudis, being the prime
BK>> source of anti-US terror.
RW> OF course it does, and the ease with which they can coopt
RW> democracy movements over there.
BK> Just today reading the reason Al Qaeda has been totally silent on
BK> Egypt, it's a denial of everything Al Qaeda stands for. Seems Al
BK> Qaeda hates the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB renounced
BK> violence, and this revolution was pulled off peacefully. Al Qaeda
BK> stands for violent revolution, and this shows them up badly.
COol!
BK>>> Isn't it interesting that the biggest claim of superiority we can
BK>>> make against a related religion is that we *IGNORE* our own
BK>>> religious teachings and traditions.
Regards,
Richard
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