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|    26 Oct 25 09:12:39    |
      TZUTC: -0500       MSGID: 1628.consprcy@1:2320/105 2d6368b3       PID: Synchronet 3.21a-Linux master/123f2d28a Jul 12 2025 GCC 12.2.0       TID: SBBSecho 3.28-Linux master/123f2d28a Jul 12 2025 GCC 12.2.0       BBSID: CAPCITY2       CHRS: ASCII 1       FORMAT: flowed       "Its not about security, its about control" How EU governments want to       encrypt their own comms, but break our private chats              Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 05:00:00 +0000              Description:       Attending the 2025 Matrix conference made me think of the dual vision on       encryption, dividing governments and citizens. I spoke to attendees to find       out what they make of it.              FULL STORY       Data sovereignty. Communication security. Strong encryption. These are the       words I heard the most in my day at the Matrix Conference in Strasbourg last       week.               An event organized by the creators of Matrix , an open-source protocol that       developers can use to build decentralized and secure messaging applications,       showcased multiple iterations of how organizations have used this federated       system.               It was especially interesting to see that, while there are some examples of       Matrix-based apps for everyday users, most of those harnessing the power of       this protocol are governments.               These include Germany , where Matrix has been used to encrypt the       communications of the government, armed forces, and healthcare system; and       France , where, starting from last September, all public officials are       required to use the Matrix-based Tchap app instead of Signal or WhatsApp.               Even more staggering, perhaps, was seeing representatives for the IT       department of the European Commission talking on stage about how they are       trialing Matrix to replace Signal and secure their own communications.               Yes, the European Commission, the same body that proposed to weaken people's       private chats with an encryption backdoor, with the infamous Child Sexual       Abuse Regulation (CSAR) bill known as Chat Control . And France is among the       12 countries supporting the proposal, according to the latest data .               All of this struck me European governments clearly understand how crucial       encryption is to preserve privacy and security. Yet, these crucial factors        for their own communications seem to be something that citizens will have to       make peace with and lose in the name of the common good.               I couldn't help but think about this dual vision on encryption, and how       unbalanced it felt. But, what do the people working to secure government and       organizations' communications make of all of this? I was on a mission to find       out.              Encryption is under attack -- but only for citizens              End-to-end encryption (E2EE) is the technology that applications like the        best VPN and messaging services use to scramble data into an unreadable form       to prevent unauthorized access. A guarantee that our online communications       will stay private between us and who we are talking to.               In the wake of ever-larger and frequent cyberattacks think of the Salt       Typhoon in the US encryption has become crucial to shield everyone's       security, whether that's ID theft, scams, or national security risks. Even        the FBI urged all Americans to turn to encrypted chats .               Law enforcement, however, often sees this layer of protection as an obstacle       to their investigations, pushing for "lawful access" to encrypted data as a       way to combat hideous crimes like terrorism or child abuse.               That's exactly where legislation proposals like Chat Control and ProtectEU in       the European bloc, or the Online Safety Act in the UK, come from.               Yet, people working with encryption know that these solutions are flawed. Do       you know? (Image credit: Getty Images) In a last-minute development, the EU       Council postponed the vote on Chat Control that was set for October 14, 2025,       after Germany joined the opposition. Digital rights campaigners aren't ready       to celebrate yet, with the proposal expected to come back on the lawmakers'       table in December.               "It makes perfect sense that some folks are pushing to undermine encryption,       but it makes no sense at all that that would be a good thing for society,"        the Co-Founder of Matrix, Matthew Hodgson, told me.               As Hodgson (and many other experts I've been talking to) explained, thinking       of being able to create a backdoor into encryption that only authorities can       access is naive and technically impossible.               Once this entry point is there, everyone will be able to exploit it. Period.               Naivety might only be one side of the story, though. According to the CEO and       Co-Founder of Denmark-based Meedio , Runi Hammer, governments know well what       they are doing.               "This is the dual usage problem when governments say everybody needs to do       something, they usually mean everybody else."               We're just attacking something that is not the root of the problem         - Julie Ripa, Product Manager of Tchap, DINUM              Runi Hammer hit the nail on the head, here. The Danish proposal of Chat       Control the latest iteration of the bill excludes all government and       military accounts for mandatory scanning of private and encrypted chats in        the lookout for child sexual abuse material (CSAM).               "They know we need encryption to have safe and secure communications. But why       can't I have a safe and secure conversation with my friends without having       Chat Control's scanning? I don't think that the cause justifies the means;       it's too intrusive," said Hammer.               On a more balanced view is Julie Ripa, the Product Manager of Tchap within        the French government agency for digital services (DINUM). She points out        that there is a stark difference in the need for secure and encrypted       communication between governments and citizens.               Yet, "We shouldn't break privacy for any reason. There will always be some       drug dealers, even though we control the data. I'm not sure that creating        back doors will solve any problem. We're just attacking something that is not       the root of the problem."              Beyond the encryption conundrum              On a technical level, experts all agree that an encryption backdoor cannot       guarantee the same level of online security and privacy we have now.               Is then time to redefine what we mean when we talk about privacy?               This is what's probably needed, according to Rocket.Chat 's Strategic        Advisor, Christian Calcagni. "We need to have a new definition of private       communication, and that's a big debate. Encryption or no encryption, what       could be the way?"               Calcagni is, nonetheless, very critical of the current push to break       encryption.               He told me: "Why should the government know what I think or what I'm sharing       on a personal level? We shouldn't focus only on encryption or not encryption,       but on what that means for our privacy, our intimacy."               The Founder and CEO of Rocket.Chat, Gabriel Engel, however, has no doubts. An       encryption backdoor isn't about security; it's about control.               He told me: "Governments want to know what's going on and be able to monitor       their citizens, while wanting the opposite for themselves. It's going to be a       never-ending battle for citizens to keep their privacy rights and to hold       their own data." If not an encryption backdoor, then what?               Virtually everyone I interacted with during the conference was outspoken        about their opposition to Chat Control-like proposals.               However, the issues motivating lawmakers' approach terrorism, drug dealing,       child abuse are undoubtedly serious crimes that need to be dealt with. So,        if not weakening encryption, what's the right fix?               According to Hodgson, who is also the Co-founder and CEO of the Matrix-based       Element , a solution could be developing a better infrastructure that, while       remaining privacy-preserving, could allow society to self-police.               He told me: "The thing we need to build is not mass surveillance. But we, the       people here at the Matrix conference, need to do a much better job of       providing the trust and safety tools needed to report and flag these crimes       when they happen on the platform. I wish Matrix were better funded to build       this alternative."              On my way out of the conference, I left with some unanswered questions, but       also a certainty technology and politics are moving on two parallel lines,       struggling to find a meeting point.               On one side, the tech tells lawmakers that building a backdoor that can       preserve security and privacy is an impossible task. Yet, the political        agenda keeps pushing through with this ill-conceived idea against all odds.               The challenge now is finding a way to bridge this discrepancy between the       privacy and security we deserve with the data usability that law enforcement       requires.               We are still far from it, but it's a mission we need to pursue. After all, as       Hammer from Meedio told me: "This is about our right, our freedom, our right       to communicate freely with each other. Mass surveillance is not the way       forward for a world that becomes even more digitalized."       ======================================================================       Link to news story:       https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/its-not-about-security-its-       about-control-how-eu-governments-want-to-encrypt-their-own-comms-but-break-our       -private-chats       $$       --- SBBSecho 3.28-Linux        * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)       SEEN-BY: 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/14 305 153/7715 154/110 218/700       SEEN-BY: 226/30 227/114 229/110 111 206 300 307 317 400 426 428 470       SEEN-BY: 229/664 700 705 266/512 291/111 320/219 322/757 342/200 396/45       SEEN-BY: 460/58 633/280 712/848 902/26 2320/0 105 304 3634/12 5075/35       PATH: 2320/105 229/426           |
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