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|    22 Oct 25 09:40:05    |
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Providers will also be required to decrypt the communication upon the       authorities' request should they own encryption keys.               By introducing such an "indiscriminate data retention model," Marc Loebekken,       Head of Legal at Proton Mail, said "Switzerland is taking a first step in       Europe."               "This is something quite unprecedented, which we strongly believe would lead       to a severe difficulty for Swiss businesses to compete, especially in the       sector of digital trust, where it is fundamental to give customers power over       the data," adds Loebekken.               Proton, the firm behind the highly popular Proton VPN , is not alone in       feeling this way. As Loebekken pointed out, almost everybody who expressed an       opinion on the matter is against, fueling a debate around what critics have       deemed as " a war against online anonymity ." These include other Swiss       privacy providers, such as NymVPN , Threema , and Session .              "No choice but to leave"              Proton Mail first entered the market in 2014, offering a privacy-first and       secure alternative to Big Tech services like Google's Gmail or Microsoft's       Outlook.               Over 10 years later, much has changed. Proton now also offers one of the best       VPNs on the market, a reliable password manager , and encrypted cloud storage       and calendar apps. The company has also entered the world of AI chatbots       recently, unveiling its own private iteration, Lumo .               All Proton's services operate under a strict no-log privacy policy, meaning       that the company should never collect details that can identify users. This       model can therefore not survive a requirement to de-anonymize users and store       their names, email addresses, IP address logs, and other personal data.               Hence, Loebekken has reiterated Proton CEO Andy Yen's previous claim when he       said that this law would make Proton less confidential than Google : the       company has "no choice but to leave" if the amendment passes.               Proton has already begun to cut some ties with Switzerland over "legal       uncertainty ." Lumo is the first product to change home, with Germany       currently hosting its servers.               The company has also confirmed it's developing facilities in Norway, while       investing over 100 million to build a "sovereign European stack" for its       services, ensuring it "cant be held hostage by Switzerland" if the laws        change for the worse.               Proton's goal is clear users' privacy cannot be compromised. "Whatever       problem we have today with the reliance on those [Big Tech] providers is not       solved by regulation. Its solved by having our own emerging companies       competing to get viable alternatives," said Loebekken. Beyond Switzerland               The threats against online anonymity and private, secure communications do        not come only from Switzerland, though.               A push to create an encryption backdoor is also spreading across Europe,       especially with the fierce debate surrounding the EU Chat Control proposal        and client-side scanning technology.               "These frameworks that are being pushed are not helpful," said Loebekken.               Despite coming from noble intentions, Loebekken argues that weakening       encryption under the guise of security is a dangerous trade-off that       ultimately harms everyones security, as it cannot work from a technological       perspective.               "They simply are not solutions and will create more problems," he added. "I'm       not saying there shouldnt be anything done about crimes on the platform, but       it should be done in a targeted way."              ======================================================================       Link to news story:       https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-first-step-in-europe-prot       on-slams-switzerlands-new-surveillance-bill-at-the-united-nations-forum              $$       --- SBBSecho 3.28-Linux        * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)       SEEN-BY: 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/14 305 153/7715 154/110 218/700       SEEN-BY: 226/30 227/114 229/110 111 206 300 307 317 400 426 428 470       SEEN-BY: 229/664 700 705 266/512 291/111 320/219 322/757 342/200 396/45       SEEN-BY: 460/58 633/280 712/848 902/26 2320/0 105 304 3634/12 5075/35       PATH: 2320/105 229/426           |
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