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   RM>> Another part was about how any scientists who didn't say exactly   
     >> what the Gov't wanted them to say lost their jobs and/or funding.   
      
   MP>This happens now and is a problem.  IMHO, things like this help fuel the   
     >anti-science conspiracty theorists.  People like to point to them like they   
     >are just stupid but, unfortunately, there are often real events that help   
     >fuel their fears.   
      
   Yes, most people tend to have some idea of what they expect/want the   
   science to say, and tend to ignore anything that contradicts that idea.   
      
   I know one person who absolutely ignores the news programs, saying   
   that they are totally controlled by the gov't, and that all the   
   gov'ts in the world are all controlled by about 6 super wealthy   
   people who control the information that makes the news in a way   
   that makes them more money.   
      
   I'm sure that is a ridiculous exaggeration of the world reality but   
   there is some minor truth to news stories being chosen or slanted   
   to report what high powered people want them to say. And in recent   
   years you'll find that the same news stories, word for word, are   
   repeated on dozens of news networks since they are all owned by   
   one huge media corp. News anchors have lost their jobs for adding   
   their own opinions on the stories they report. You must read the   
   script but you can't change it or add to it..   
      
   RM>> Yes, there have been forest fires as long as there have been forests,   
     >> long before people, and a good sized volcanic eruption can add a   
     >> huge amount of carbon to the atmosphere as well.   
      
   MP>Those that want it to be "us" cannot stand the idea that nature might also   
     >be causing some of the issues, just as much as those who want it to be   
     >"nature" cannot stand the idea that we might also be a cause.   
      
   Yes, and most likely the truth is in the middle somewhere.   
   Nature is likely strongly at work here, but we could be speeding   
   up the time line somewhat. But I'm sure it's misleading to suggest   
   that we can stop Climate Change by changing the type of car we drive.   
      
   The reality of it is that nature has all the time in the world and   
   it tends to move slowly so, if the current change is anything like   
   the last one, maybe we are speeding up things by 50 or 75 years   
   but it is coming regardless and the last time it lasted for 3000   
   years, so changing your habits to benefit your grand children may   
   not be a reality and, again, that slow part, if we totally stopped   
   creating carbon, it would probably take 100 years to even start to   
   see any difference, if it actually made any, that assuming that it's   
   all our fault.   
      
   That said, anything that cuts down on pollution is a good thing   
   which may bring more of us better health even if it doesn't do   
   much to affect Climate Change.   
      
   Years ago I saw a study where environmental scientists looked at   
   what number of people the whole world could support at a level   
   where nature would totally be unharmed by humans, a number that   
   could survive easily and do no damage.   
      
   The number they came up with was about 50 million people, so   
   maybe what we need to fix things is better birth control..   B)   
      
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