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      TZUTC: -0500       MSGID: 1190.consprcy@1:2320/105 2cc1346d       PID: Synchronet 3.20a-Linux master/acc19483f Apr 26 202 GCC 12.2.0       TID: SBBSecho 3.20-Linux master/acc19483f Apr 26 2024 23:04 GCC 12.2.0       BBSID: CAPCITY2       CHRS: ASCII 1       New judges ruling makes OpenAI keeping a record of all your ChatGPT chats one       step closer to reality              Date:       Tue, 24 Jun 2025 22:00:00 +0000              Description:       A court maintained a ruling forcing OpenAI to retain all ChatGPT chats after       rejecting petitions from users.              FULL STORY              OpenAI will be holding onto all of your conversations with ChatGPT and       possibly sharing them with a lot of lawyers, even the ones you thought you       deleted. That's the upshot of an order from the federal judge overseeing a       lawsuit brought against OpenAI by The New York Times over copyright       infringement. Judge Ona Wang upheld her earlier order to preserve all ChatGPT       conversations for evidence after rejecting a motion by ChatGPT user Aidan       Hunt, one of several from ChatGPT users asking her to rescind the order over       privacy and other concerns.               Judge Wang told OpenAI to indefinitely preserve ChatGPTs outputs since the       Times pointed out that would be a way to tell if the chatbot has illegally       recreated articles without paying the original publishers. But finding those       examples means hanging onto every intimate, awkward, or just private       communication anyone's had with the chatbot. Though what users write isn't       part of the order, it's not hard to imagine working out who was conversing       with ChatGPT about what personal topic based on what the AI wrote. In fact,       the more personal the discussion, the easier it would probably be to identify       the user.               Hunt pointed out that he had no warning that this might happen until he saw a       report about the order in an online forum. and is now concerned that his       conversations with ChatGPT might be disseminated, including highly sensitive       personal and commercial information. He asked the judge to vacate the order        or modify it to leave out especially private content, like conversations       conducted in private mode, or when there are medical or legal matters       discussed.               According to Hunt, the judge was overstepping her bounds with the order       because this case involves important, novel constitutional questions about        the privacy rights incident to artificial intelligence usage a rapidly       developing area of law and the ability of a magistrate [judge] to institute        a nationwide mass surveillance program by means of a discovery order in a       civil case.               Judge Wang rejected his request because they aren't related to the copyright       issue at hand. She emphasized that it's about preservation, not disclosure,       and that it's hardly unique or uncommon for the courts to tell a private       company to hold onto certain records for litigation. Thats technically       correct, but, understandably, an everyday person using ChatGPT might not feel       that way.               She also seemed to particularly dislike the mass surveillance accusation,       quoting that section of Hunt's petition and slamming it with the legal       language equivalent of a diss track. Judge Wang added a "[sic]" to the quote       from Hunt's filing and a footnote pointing out that the petition "does not       explain how a courts document retention order that directs the preservation,       segregation, and retention of certain privately held data by a private        company for the limited purposes of litigation is, or could be, a nationwide       mass surveillance program. It is not. The judiciary is not a law enforcement       agency."               That 'sic burn' aside, there's still a chance the order will be rescinded or       modified after OpenAI goes to court this week to push back against it as part       of the larger paperwork battle around the lawsuit.              Deleted but not gone               Hunt's other concern is that, regardless of how this case goes, OpenAI will       now have the ability to retain chats that users believed were deleted and       could use them in the future. There are concerns over whether OpenAI will        lean into protecting user privacy over legal expedience. OpenAI has so far       argued in favor of that privacy and has asked the court for oral arguments to       challenge the retention order that will take place this week. The company has       said it wants to push back hard on behalf of its users. But in the meantime,       your chat logs are in limbo.               Many may have felt that writing into ChatGPT is like talking to a friend who       can keep a secret. Perhaps more will now understand that it still acts like a       computer program, and the equivalent of your browser history and Google        search terms are still in there. At the very least, hopefully, there will be       more transparency. Even if it's the courts demanding that AI companies retain       sensitive data, users should be notified by the companies. We shouldn't       discover it by chance on a web forum.               And if OpenAI really wants to protect its users, it could start offering more       granular controls: clear toggles for anonymous mode, stronger deletion       guarantees, and alerts when conversations are being preserved for legal       reasons. Until then, it might be wise to treat ChatGPT a bit less like a       therapist and a bit more like a coworker who might be wearing a wire.              ======================================================================       Link to news story:       https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/new-judges-ruling-       makes-openai-keeping-a-record-of-all-your-chatgpt-chats-one-step-closer-to-rea       lity              $$       --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux        * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)       SEEN-BY: 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/14 305 153/7715 154/110 218/700       SEEN-BY: 226/30 227/114 229/110 111 114 206 300 307 317 400 426 428       SEEN-BY: 229/470 664 700 705 266/512 291/111 320/219 322/757 342/200       SEEN-BY: 396/45 460/58 712/848 902/26 2320/0 105 304 3634/12 5075/35       PATH: 2320/105 229/426           |
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