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   Mike Powell to All   
   Sam Altman says AI chats   
   07 Jun 25 06:38:00   
   
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   Sam Altman says AI chats should be as private as talking to a lawyer or a   
   doctor, but OpenAI could soon be forced to keep your ChatGPT conversations   
   forever   
      
   Date:   
   Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:50:31 +0000   
      
   Description:   
   As part of the New York Times copyright infringement lawsuit, OpenAI may be   
   forced to keep your ChatGPT chats even if you delete the conversation.   
      
   FULL STORY   
      
   Back in December 2023, the New York Times launched a lawsuit against OpenAI   
   and Microsoft, alleging copyright infringement. The New York Times alleges   
   that OpenAI had trained its ChatGPT model, which also powers Microsofts   
   Copilot , by copying and using millions of its articles without permission.    
      
   The lawsuit is still ongoing, and as part of it the New York Times (and other   
   plaintiffs involved in the case) have made the demand that OpenAI are made to   
   retain consumer ChatGPT and API customer data indefinitely, much to the ire    
   of Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, who took to X.com to tweet , We have been   
   thinking recently about the need for something like AI privilege; this really   
   accelerates the need to have the conversation. IMO talking to an AI should be   
   like talking to a lawyer or a doctor. I hope society will figure this out   
   soon.   
      
   OpenAI describes the New York Times lawsuit as baseless, and in a lengthy    
   post on the OpenAI website titled, How were responding to The New York Times   
   data demands in order to protect user privacy, OpenAI lays out its approach    
   to privacy.    
      
   Brad Lightcap, COO, OpenAI, says that the demand from the NYT fundamentally   
   conflicts with the privacy commitments we have made to our users. It abandons   
   long-standing privacy norms and weakens privacy protections. Private   
   investigations    
      
   As more and more people share intimate details of their lives with AI   
   chatbots, which are often taking on the role of a therapist , I can    
   appreciate the need to be able to keep AI conversations private, however, I   
   can also see the NYTs point of view that if there is evidence that supports   
   its claims against OpenAI then it needs to have access to that data without   
   OpenAI being able to declare it all as too private to share.    
      
   At the moment, a ChatGPT chat is removed from your account immediately when   
   you delete the conversation, and scheduled for permanent deletion from OpenAI   
   systems within 30 days. The order would mean that even deleted ChatGPT   
   conversations would have to be retained by OpenAI.    
      
   As a ChatGPT user myself, Ive always appreciated the ability to be able to   
   remove conversations entirely. If OpenAI is forced to comply with this   
   request, then its going to affect pretty much everybody who uses the service,   
   on either a free, Plus, Pro, or Teams (but not Enterprise or Edu account   
   holders).    
      
   The order also does not impact API customers who are using Zero Data    
   Retention endpoints under OpenAIs ZDR amendment.    
      
   OpenAI has said it has appealed the order to the District Court Judge and    
   will inform us when it knows more.   
      
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   Link to news story:   
   https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/sam-altman-says-ai   
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