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|    Meta stole my book to tra    |
|    01 May 25 10:31:00    |
      TZUTC: -0500       MSGID: 1090.consprcy@1:2320/105 2c78ce5b       PID: Synchronet 3.20a-Linux master/acc19483f Apr 26 202 GCC 12.2.0       TID: SBBSecho 3.20-Linux master/acc19483f Apr 26 2024 23:04 GCC 12.2.0       BBSID: CAPCITY2       CHRS: ASCII 1       Meta stole my book to train its AI but theres a bigger problem              Date:       Thu, 01 May 2025 11:43:42 +0000              Description:       Tech companies are using books to feed AI without consent. But the problem       goes beyond copyright its about creativity, value, and ownership.              FULL STORY       ======================================================================              A shadow library might sound like something from a fantasy novel but its       real, and far more troubling.               Its an online archive of pirated books, academic papers, and other peoples       work, taken without permission. These libraries have always been       controversial. But in the AI world, theyre an open secret rich sources of       high-quality writing used to train large language models.               The books in them are goldmines because they're long-form, emotional, diverse       and generally well-written. Using them to train AI is a shortcut to teaching       these tools how humans think, feel, and express themselves. But licensing        them properly would be expensive and messy. So tech companies just didnt       bother.               This quiet exploitation exploded into public view in March 2025 when The       Atlantic released a tool that lets anyone search for their books in LibGen       (Library Genesis), one of the biggest shadow libraries.               And there it was, my book Screen Time , along with millions of others.               It's been revealed in legal documents that Meta, the parent company of       Facebook and Instagram, used LibGen to train its large language models,       including LLaMA 3. Not every title was necessarily used, but the possibility       alone is enough to leave authors reeling.               As a tech journalist, Ive always tried to stay level-headed about AI curious       but critical. But when its your book thats been stolen to train AI, it hits       differently. You think about the hours, the edits, the emotion. The despair       and euphoria of creating something from nothing.               It feels as if all of that has been swallowed whole by a system that mimics       creativity while erasing the creator. The outrage from authors is real the       lack of consent, the lack of compensation. But what haunts me is something       deeper, a grief for creativity itself, and the sense it's slipping away.              Fair use or foul play?              Meta has been under legal scrutiny about this for some time. In 2023, authors       including Richard Kadrey, Sarah Silverman, Andrew Sean Greer, and Junot Daz       took legal action against the company , alleging it used their books without       consent to train its large language models.               Meta's defence has been that training its AI models on copyrighted material       constitutes what's known as fair use. One of the company's arguments is that       the process is transformative, as the AI doesn't reproduce the original works       but instead learns patterns from them to generate new content.               Laws in the UK and US differ. In the UK, this is generally considered        unlawful unless it falls under specific exceptions like "fair dealing," which       has a narrower scope than the US's "fair use." In the US, the legality will       hinge on how "fair use" is interpreted, which is currently being tested in       ongoing legal disputes. The outcomes will likely set significant precedents       for future AI copyright law.               Meta and other AI advocates insist these systems will bring us enormous       benefits. Can't the means justify the ends? Personally, I can appreciate that       argument. But let's not kid ourselves Meta's primary motivation is profit.       The company is leveraging creative works as raw material to scale its AI       capabilities.               Writer and author Lauren Bravo, whose books Probably Nothing , Preloved and       What Would the Spice Girls Do? were scraped into LibGen, told me: I feel       furious about my books being on there, for myriad reasons. It's hard enough        to make a decent living from writing books these days the average author's       income is 7k! so to know that a company worth over a trillion dollars felt        it was reasonable to use our work without throwing us a few quid is so       enraging there aren't even words for it.               Historian, broadcaster and author Dr Fern Riddell, whose books Death in Ten       Minutes , Sex: Lessons From History and The Victorian Guide to Sex were also       in the LibGen database, said: Its absolutely devastating to see yours and       many others lifes work stolen by a billion-dollar company. This is not the       proliferation of ideas. Its straightforward theft to make Meta money. The       scale of it is almost incomprehensible all my books have been stolen, along       with my right to protect my work.               Like Bravo and Riddell, other authors are understandably angry and confused       what this means for the future. The Society of Authors and several other       organizations are considering adding to the mounting legal action against       Meta. Maybe change will come new licensing rules, more transparency, opt-in       models. But it feels too little, too late.               Writing a book is a long and deeply personal process for any author. But       because mine talks about losing both my parents at a young age from coping       with grief as a teenager to caring for my mum through cancer it feels extra       personal, writer and corporate content consultant Rochelle Bugg tells me,       whose book Handle With Care is also in the dataset. I poured my heart and        soul into my book, so the fact it has been taken, without my knowledge or       consent, and used to train AI models that will generate profit for someone       else seems totally unjust and completely indefensible.               There's something uniquely painful about deeply personal work being scraped       and repurposed, especially without permission.              The art of being human               These latest incidents have raised all sorts of questions not just about       copyright, but about creativity and how little we seem to value it.               "I fear it's symptomatic of something much larger that's been going on for       decades," Lauren Bravo tells me. "The way creative work has been dramatically       devalued by the internet."               "We've all participated in it," she adds. "In some ways, the democratization       of content has been brilliant. But the sinister flipside is that we now        expect to consume creative work for free writing, music, art, even porn."               Generative AI tools take that mindset and dial it up to eleven. Why pay for       anything when with a quick prompt you can make it instantly?               Take the viral AI-generated Studio Ghibli trend . It looks charming until you       remember that Ghibli founder Hayao Miyazaki has publicly condemned it. Yes,        AI can gobble up his art and copy its style anyway. But is that kind of       mimicry creativity? Is it still art if it's made without permission, or       without the human experience that shaped it?               Some of us obsess over these questions. But honestly? It's starting to look       like few others care. Tech companies mine data. Users get the dopamine hit of       jumping on a new trend. Everyone keeps scrolling.              Author Philip Ellis, whose books We Could Be Heroes and Love & Other Scams       were scraped into LibGen, told me: "I see artists online trying to educate       their followers about AI's environmental impact. But as the action figure       trend has shown, your average person is still ignorant maybe wilfully of        how bad generative AI is proving to be. Not just for the climate, but for       culture."               Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI (the company behind ChatGPT), takes an       unsurprisingly optimistic view. In a recent TED 2025 interview, he claimed       generative AI can democratize creativity.               He acknowledges the ethical complexities copying styles, lack of consent        and has floated ideas like opt-in revenue sharing. But even he admits that       attribution, consent, and fair pay are still "big questions."               OpenAI blocks users from mimicking living artists directly, but broader genre       imitation is still allowed. Altman insists that every leap in creative tech       has led to "better output." But who decides what's "better"? And who        benefits?               The danger next is that young creators might see this landscape and wonder if       creating is still worth it.               "I'm scared that we'll lose a future generation of painters, authors,       musicians," Ellis tells me. "That they won't feel the thrill of discovery.        The joy of putting hours into a creative pursuit for its own sake. Because       companies like Meta have told them a machine can do the hard part as if the       hard part isn't the whole point."               What we lose when we turn to AI to "create" for us isnt just jobs or       royalties. We also lose the messy, magical process that gives art its        meaning. Creators arent prompt-fed machines. They're emotional, chaotic and       alive. Every poem, novel, song or sketch is shaped by memory, trauma,        boredom, desire. Thats what we connect to isn't it? Not polish, but meaning       and soul.               As Ellis told me: "Even if I'm never published again, I'll still carry on       writing. Because the act itself of crafting characters and worlds that seem       to exist almost independently of me is what makes me happy."               AI can certainly produce something that resembles art. Sometimes it's clever.       Sometimes it's even beautiful. But the AI tool you use doesnt feel or care or       know why it exists. Instead, we know it works by interpreting a prompt then       borrowing, blending, remixing and regurgitating. So we have to ask whether       what AI creates is still creativity in the absence of a human creator?               Its the kind of question that keeps me up at night. And maybe ultimately it        no longer matters. Maybe the very idea of creativity is being rewritten. Tech       giants certainly promise us bold new forms of expression through AI. And many       people are clearly excited by that prospect. But lets at least be honest,       these systems werent built to nurture our creativity. They were built to       monetize it.               This isnt just about my book, or even the 7.5 million others in LibGen. Its       about what we choose to value, like art, culture and the wild and weird       richness of human experience. Because the truth is, we're not just training       machines. Were training ourselves to accept a world where our most meaningful       expressions become raw material for someone elses profit. And if were not       careful, well forget what it ever felt like to make something real.              ======================================================================       Link to news story:       https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/meta-stole-my-book       -to-train-its-ai-but-theres-a-bigger-problem              $$       --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux        * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)       SEEN-BY: 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/305 153/7715 154/110 218/700 226/30       SEEN-BY: 227/114 229/110 111 114 206 300 307 317 400 426 428 470 664       SEEN-BY: 229/700 705 266/512 291/111 320/219 322/757 342/200 396/45       SEEN-BY: 460/58 712/848 902/26 2320/0 105 3634/12 5075/35       PATH: 2320/105 229/426           |
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