From: robin_listas@es.invalid

On 2025-12-29 22:30, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> c186282  wrote:
>> On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Nuno Silva  wrote:
>>>> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come
>>>> up.
>>>
>>> I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility
>>> issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not
>>> for me:
>>>
>>> https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/
>>
>>    Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even
>>    Wayland, forks ???
>>
>>    Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than
>>    20 random 'standards' with different rules/details
>>    and their OWN problems.
>>
>>    Just sayin'
>
> Yep, that's what I'm saying too. That project gives a mixed message
> about their intentions for compatibility. They say "Replacing the
> Xorg server" is a "non-goal", yet they say they're open to
> extending the X11 protocol. Which means they'll need their own xlib
> library for GUI programs/toolkits to link against, and those
> programs/toolkits might at some point no longer build with the Xorg
> xlib as well, or even if they do, some distro packages might only
> be built for the Pheonix xlib.
>
> I'd prefer if protocol changes were left off the table at this
> point, X11 already has extensions to tick all the major boxes such
> as handling OpenGL and video. Wayland is already reinventing the
> wheel if that's what you want.

My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the
machine doesn't have 3D.

>
> On the up side, the site did point out this Wayland -> X11 "bridge"
> project, which is promising for if/when programs like Firefox drop
> X11 support:
>
> https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11
>


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