XPost: alt.folklore.computers
From: robin_listas@es.invalid

On 2025-12-29 03:06, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/28/25 16:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-12-24 11:33, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 12/23/25 18:55, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 14:21:44 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Maybe they find the visual arts better for self-expression. The
>>>> Beats
>>>>>     were WW II veterans but I don't know much about the
>>>>> "Angry Young Men".
>>>>
>>>> John Osborne was one of the better known. His play, 'Look Back in
>>>> Anger',
>>>> became a movie with Richard Burton. It was post-WWII Britain with young
>>>> people realizing the empire was gone and the future wasn't too rosy.
>>>> Burgess isn't grouped with them but 'Clockwork Orange' captures the
>>>> feeling. Much later there was the Sex Pistols 'God Save the Queen'. No
>>>> future for you.
>>>>
>>>> Even the hippie generation or whatever you want to call what
>>>> followed the
>>>> Beats wasn't very literary.
>>>
>>>    Hmm ... how long since 'writers' actually WROTE - ink
>>>    on paper ? Quill pens ?
>>>
>>>    Since the 1930s they 'wrote' mostly on typewriters.
>>>    The 'feel' isn't the same, dealing with the machine
>>>    surely affected what they composed, added its own
>>>    bit of 'businesslike feel' to the process.
>>
>> Depends... some hired a person to type their manuscripts. No idea of
>> the percent that did this. I just recently read a crime novel in which
>> this happened, so probably the author employed them, too (The Secret
>> House Of Death By Ruth Rendell).
>
>
>    But did Ruth write the original with pen-on-paper, or
>    with a machine ?

Don't know. I only know that she was familiar with the jobs of people
hired by writers to do the typing. That book is from 1968 though.

Who would know such a question? An AI? ChatGPT doesn't.



>>>    Then word-processors ... easy to add, delete, copy,
>>>    paste and fix typos in an instant. No more tappety-tap
>>>    sort of machine "feel", something different.
>>>
>>>    From now on, everything Gen-A2+ "writes" will be
>>>    what they tell an "AI" to compose FOR them. Most
>>>    won't even know how to spell half the words, may
>>>    not even KNOW half the words. It's more "Old
>>>    storyteller, tell us a story about werewolves"
>>>    and they can get back to being depressed and
>>>    shooting Fentanyl while the "AI" does it.
>>>
>>>    Writing traditional Chinese or Japanese script with
>>>    brush on paper ... it fuses 'art' into the actual
>>>    written meaning for the author, more and different
>>>    brain pathways than seen using a Corona or Word.
>>>
>>>    A few years ago I saw a 'travel show' that involved
>>>    some westerners visiting China. There was a sort of
>>>    street vendor who made banners and such in traditional
>>>    characters. He challenged the tourist to paint just
>>>    one character ... and judged they got it all WRONG
>>>    even though to the western eye the results were
>>>    almost identical to the natives. Thing is, they
>>>    did not perform the correct 'swish' and 'swash' and
>>>    'blob' and such - and it showed, changed the fine
>>>    meaning of the character, the attached emotional
>>>    content at the very least.
>>>
>>>    It has long been thought that language unto itself
>>>    can affect, channel, limit, what the speaker CAN
>>>    frame as 'reality'. Might be more or less true.
>>>    But 'writing' - the nuances - may also affect
>>>    the kind of output in many subtle ways.
>>>
>>
>> Mmm.
>
>
>    I'd rec a Harvard Study - except I don't trust Harvard
>    to offer good advice on how to take a shit these days ...
>
>    I do note that 'artful prose' largely ceased to exist
>    once pen on paper was abandoned. Larger cultural shift
>    maybe, or maybe it was the preferred writing method,
>    one that took some of the 'art' out of writing ?
>
>    Would the Declaration Of Independence have been as
>    good if typed-up in Courier-12 ?

I wonder what effect has handwriting vs typing has on the fiction writers.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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