XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: robin_listas@es.invalid

On 2025-12-14 21:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:38:21 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2025-12-14 06:18, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 12/13/25 15:06, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:00:19 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Usually on a clear cut lot, there are lots and lots of "stumps" and
>>>>> nobody gives a shit about those. That's why the field in that video
>>>>> is suspiciously "too good to be true". As the years pass, the stumps
>>>>> will rot and be digested like normal. It's just the stumps are a
>>>>> hazard right after a clear cut session.
>>>>
>>>> In this area, make that 'many years'. We had a bad fire in 2003 that
>>>> took some areas down to mineral soil. Long after the fire stumps were
>>>> still burning out the underground root systems. 22 years later you
>>>> still have to be careful off trail not to step in a pit. The areas
>>>> were not replanted so there are very few trees.
>>>
>>>     This is what happened in California ... nobody was allowed to dig
>>>     and put out the burning roots. Two weeks later and ........
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>>
>>>     Layered bureaucracy in action.
>>>
>>>     Now the b-crats have brought rebuild permits to a virtual halt.
>>>     Alas these tend to be rather wealthy people/donors ... there WILL
>>>     be some serious consequences. Alas the 'crats themselves don't
>>>     care, they're following the rules/protocols ...
>>>
>>>> The winter after the fire I went out snowshoeing and completely lost
>>>> the trail that I had hiked often. You don't realize how much of a clue
>>>> the brush along a trail is until there isn't any. There was also a
>>>> small stretch with fairy slippers, a small orchid, that I liked as a
>>>> sign of spring. The similar looking shooting stars have returned but
>>>> not the fairy slippers. The corms have a relationship with soil fungus
>>>> and that's all gone.
>>>>
>>>> The clear cuts here definitely don't look like a well prepared garden
>>>> plot. The technique of leaving a few seed trees wasn't effective
>>>> either. There's nothing left to shelter seedlings.
>>>>
>>>> The areas managed by the Forest Service have made out better. I've
>>>> helped mark out a few timber sales. The trees to go are sprayed blue
>>>> at breast height and the roots, the keepers orange. The lower paint is
>>>> to keep people honest since you can tell what was cut from the stump.
>>>> Often though the sale is never bid on since selective harvesting is
>>>> more expensive.
>>>
>>>     I've seen many replant areas. Yes, trees grow - but the replanting
>>>     puts them too close together. No sun gets to the ground, it's not a
>>>     complete ecosystem.
>>>     In the interim period there's a lot of soil erosion.
>>>
>>>
>> Here they tried putting straw on the ground to reduce erosion.
>
> Lot of straw...  The US tends to think in 260 ha units that goes back to
> laying out land ownership in 'sections', 1 mile on a side. In this area
> the forests are in mountainous areas with steep slopes. Typically the
> company that clear cut the area grabbed the cash and ran. That also
> applies to mining and other extractive industries. Privatize the profits,
> socialize the costs.

Oh, I forgot. This was after this summer devastating fires. I saw it on
TV, and probably they were volunteers.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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