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 Message 241,621 of 243,097 
 wij to olcott 
 Re: H(D) as simple as it gets 
 29 Oct 25 01:01:44 
 
From: wyniijj5@gmail.com

On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 11:24 -0500, olcott wrote:
> On 10/28/2025 10:19 AM, wij wrote:
> > On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 09:29 -0500, olcott wrote:
> > > On 10/28/2025 8:03 AM, wij wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2025-10-27 at 23:29 -0700, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > Humm...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1 HOME
> > > > > 5 PRINT "The Olcott All-in-One Halt Decider!"
> > > > > 10 INPUT "Shall I halt or not? " ; A$
> > > > > 30 IF A$ = "YES" GOTO 666
> > > > > 40 GOTO 10
> > > > > 666 PRINT "OK!"
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, HP is just that simple. The not-so-simple part (just a little
bit) is
> > > > making it precise to become a theorem. olcott wants to save human (not
really)
> > > > and AI industry. BASIC is too... well, kid stuff, not famous and big
enough to
> > > > exhibit the 3% intelligence. Being Simple and clear is olcott's
enermy.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > *D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line*
> > > 
> > > int D()
> > > {
> > >     int Halt_Status = H(D);
> > >     if (Halt_Status)
> > >       HERE: goto HERE;
> > >     return Halt_Status;
> > > }
> > > 
> > > H simulates D
> > > that calls H(D) to simulate D
> > > that calls H(D) to simulate D
> > > that calls H(D) to simulate D
> > > that calls H(D) to simulate D
> > > that calls H(D) to simulate D
> > > until H sees this repeating pattern.
> > 
> > 'D' (or DDD, whatever, although they look similar) is not the example
mentioned
> > in the HP proof. You are solving POO Problem.
> > 
> 
> The proof has no idea about simulating halt deciders.

The HP proof only needs a 'given' halt decider.
As a proof (in this case), you must provide a reproducable halt decider for 
reviewers. So far, none, just mouth: "I have one".

> I cannot begin to show the next step of my proof
> until people utterly stop stonewalling me on the
> above step. They have done this for three years.

Forget about the 'next'. You should go back to understand what the HP is
asking.
Hint: HP is asking for a TM. Do the exercises in Linz's book to prove to  
  yourself you understand TM. Text book is not popular-science magzine.

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