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   Wilfred van Velzen to August Abolins   
   Re: This is the result of keeping 60% of   
   26 Feb 21 22:30:22   
   
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   Hi August,   
      
   On 2021-02-26 10:44:14, you wrote to me:   
      
    >>  AA> How do you power your refrigerator?   
      
    >> By having it plugged into a wall outlet! ;-)   
      
    AA> Ahh..  a smart alec!  :D   
      
    AA> I thought that solar = +batteries.  Apparently not.   
      
   Nope. Not yet atleast.   
      
    AA> Now that I recall,  the early financing programmes for solar   
    AA> installations at people's homes (either via roof, or via standalone   
    AA> units) was a direct-to-grid type of thing - no batteries required.   
      
   That's how it works here.   
      
   But when you don't get any money any more (or very little) for putting your   
   generated electricity into the net, batteries will become interesting to store   
   your own energy, and using it when there is no sun. And hopefully battery   
   technology will become better and cheaper in the future.   
      
    >> That is indeed a very expensive solution. Some of our greenhouse   
    >> customers in the Netherlands have such an installation. I don't know   
    >> prices, but that would probably run into the millions for such   
    >> industrial scale installations. But they have done the math, and   
    >> wouldn't have invested into this, if it wasn't viable...   
      
    AA> I think some people finance such things to the hilt to minimize monthy   
    AA> payments as much as possible - while reaping the benefits of such   
    AA> installations. Then when the asset sells, the value is built-in and they   
    AA> recoup everything.   
      
   Most greenhouse owners already generate their own electricity for the lighting   
   in the greenhouses. And they also use the heat that comes from those big gas   
   generators to warm up the greenhouses. It's a very efficient way to use energy:   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogeneration   
      
      
   Bye, Wilfred.   
      
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