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|    Joacim Melin to All    |
|    Re: Jack Tramiel    |
|    01 Feb 20 18:08:27    |
      INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3       REPLYADDR Joacim.Melin@f130.n2.z21.fsxnet       REPLYTO 3:770/3.0 UUCP       MSGID: <1580602397@f130.n2.z21.fsxnet> ba6dffc0       REPLY: 731:770/1.0 2299c86a       PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05       CHRS: LATIN-1 2        SG> Re: Jack Tramiel        SG> By: Dave Drum to Tristan Miller on Fri Jan 31 2020 12:24 pm               >> Jack, who dumped CBM in favour of Atari (nee Tramiel Technology Ltd.)        >> was just as much about money as Irving (Gould) and Medhi (Ali) who came        >> after him at Commodore and busted it out for fun and (especially) profit.               SG> I don't think he was really dumped. Irving sacked him. Not sure how        SG> that's        SG> possible, and what the actual reasons were. Some say because he        SG> wanted to bring        SG> his sons in. Irving said he was worried about JAck's health, and        SG> didn't think        SG> he was the man to take the company to beyond a billion.               SG> Maybe Jack planned to build Atari up to the point where he could buy        SG> our        SG> Commodore and get his creation back. Something akin to the Steve Jobs        SG> story,        SG> where he was ousted but found a back route back in.              Several truthful sources have come out before and after Jack Tramiels death and       confirmed that while he wasn't formally fired (he resigned) his disagreement       with Irving was so profound he couldn't remain at Commodore. Irving, the       blood-sucking leach that he was, was very willing to keep spending Commodores       money on his own luxury lifestyle. Quoted from Wikipedia:              "During a question and answer session at CommVEx v11 (July 18, 2015), Jack's       son, Leonard Tramiel, finally revealed to the crowd his version of what really       transpired between Jack and Irving Gould during the 1984 C.E.S. show resulting       in Tramiel leaving Commodore:[22] On January 13, 1984 during a meeting with       Irving, Jack told Irving that treating the assets of the company as his own and       using them for personal use was wrong. He said to Irving, "you can't do that       while I'm still president" to which Irving responded by saying "Goodbye". Three       days after the show, Jack announced to the public that he was resigning from       the company."              Irving was the one who drove Commodore into the ground. They would've failed       anyway with the PC standard taking over but they sure as heck would have lasted       longer than 1994.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 14/5 15/0 2 19/36 34/999 90/1 104/115 106/201 114/224       SEEN-BY: 114/702 705 706 116/18 123/140 128/2 73 187 253 153/7715       SEEN-BY: 218/700 222/2 226/16 227/114 229/101 275 426 1014 230/150       SEEN-BY: 230/152 240/1120 5832 249/0 1 206 317 400 250/1 261/38 100       SEEN-BY: 266/512 267/155 275/100 282/103 1056 291/0 111 298/25 305/1       SEEN-BY: 305/3 310/2 312/2 317/3 320/119 219 322/757 340/0 342/13       SEEN-BY: 342/200 396/45 640/1321 712/848 801/0 161 2320/105 3005/1       SEEN-BY: 3634/12 5020/1042       PATH: 770/3 1 712/848 261/38 15/0 317/3 229/426           |
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