-> > I got ya, I know us animal lovers are similar so I was just thinking the   
   -> > way I think, It probably would not do any good to make an issue,   
   -> > especially if there was a doubt, however knowing me, I'd cling to any   
   -> > possibility.   
      
   -> Understand.. and over there you actually had someone swipe one of your pugs,   
   -> right?  ISTR you posting about that here at least.. :)  Ithaca is supposed   
   to   
   -> be "cooler" haha.. well, we'll see.    
      
   Well, I think her heart was in a good place. I don't think she was   
   trying to steal a dog, She actually just took him in, but was awful mad   
   at me for what she thought was neglect. She just did not know what had   
   happened nor the circumstances behind it.   
      
      
   -> Oh yeah, if they want out, it can be  hard to really stop them.  Priscilla   
   and   
   -> Midnight (our original two black labs) used to work as team.. Since at the   
   time   
   -> Midnight was bulkier (the vet called her "bertha" Lol), she'd climb up the   
   -> fence and lay down on it so the two of them could just "jump over"...   
      
   Wow, that is amazing what they will do to get out. And Teamwork to top   
   it off.   
      
      
   -> Well, now we have a 5 foot chain-link fence here.. Toby (B.Lab), Sophey and   
   -> Indy (mutt/Yellow Labs) haven't figured a way out yet.. but I did notice   
   last   
   -> summer Indy trying to dig UNDER the fence til I screamed at him... geez.. :)   
      
      
   Thats what we have. The chain link Fence, but a few problems. Over the   
   years things have happened that I don't have much control over. I   
   tightened all the corners with more wire. Some fencing seemed to be just   
   lose enough for a determined pug to get through. What really is   
   frustraing though is along my one side, My neighbor who had passed   
   several years ago, had a garden all along the fence. Since he passed and   
   new neighbors moved in, that whole plot has just dropped below the shall   
   we say norma dirt line, so all along the fence on that side the dirt   
   line is about 3 inches lower than my yard, leaving a good area for the   
   pugs to easily dig under. Not to mention the new neighbors have a   
   pitbull that the boys like to play with and constantly try to dig under   
   to get to her. It's a good 30 yards long or more. I try to fill in the   
   really bad areas with Firewood. I don't know what would be good to fill   
   such a large length without costing an arm and a leg. So Firewood is it   
   for now. I don't think they will ever fill it in with more dirt. Similar   
   along the rear. Our neighbor in back is a bit touched and was so mad   
   about losing his bushes all along the back fence to the Big Ice Storm,   
   he just came out one day and took his frustrations out on the bushes and   
   hacked them down after the ice melted. He then tore them all out, again   
   leaving the dirt on their side much lower causing same problem. That   
   leaves very little effort for small dogs to dig under and get out. :(   
      
      
      
   -> Indy (mutt/Yellow Labs) haven't figured a way out yet.. but I did notice   
   last   
   -> summer Indy trying to dig UNDER the fence til I screamed at him... geez.. :)   
      
   If he is like my boys, he is just waiting till the time is right ;)   
      
      
   On a lighter side, what I get a chuckle out of. Sometimes when going out   
   somewhere or certain other times, the boys like to stay in their crates,   
   don't have to be locked or anything, they think it is their bedroom   
   (den). Well when we do go out, will lock the latch on the cage. Every so   
   often Loci will open the door and I have to laugh, I came home from work   
   several times to see things darting around back and forth in the   
   doorways and stuff. I'd shake my head and wonder what I was seeing out   
   the corner of my eye. I'd hear little feet galloping by, and think what   
   the heck, am I seeing the spirit of my previous pug who had passed or   
   what.. Nope! It's Loci, he opens his crate at will and will frolick   
   around the house and have a good old time. So now when I come home and   
   see things, I just realize nothing short of a padlock would really keep   
   them in their crate when they want to get out and play.   
      
   Have a good One!   
   Mike   
      
      
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