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   >>I re-used plastic bags i got for free or for 5c at least once -- as a garbage   
   >> ag -- perfect size for tossing garbage down an apartment's trash chute (must   
   >> tied into a bag to use the chute)   
   > Provided they don't come with pre-existing holes in them, they are the   
   > perfect size for many non-kitchen waste baskets.  That is what I reuse them   
   > for.   
      
   Exactly.  Why should I buy a pack of plastic garbage just to throw the    
   packaging & bags away in the end? The grocery bag has already served one good    
   use (I like to re-use non-recyclables for at least two purposes)   
      
   Our family of 4 is down to a single garbage bag into the dumpster per week,    
   down from 4-6 before we started separating & composting. . .   
      
   >> Sometimes I even re-used them for shopping, instead of buying a bag. . .   
   > A local mom-and-pop does that.  People bring in their used plastic bags and   
   > he reuses them.   
      
   One of our charity thrifty stores does this -- provides donated bags to those    
   who don't have one (saves buying a pack of commercial ones out of the funds    
   raised); I always carry a bunch of solid cloth bags with me.   
      
   >> Only one store did it right; Kin's Farm Markets gave free bags, but if you   
   > se   
   >> your own, they donated 5c to an eco charity.   
   > Sounds like a good plan.   
   > I was working in retail in the 1980's when they started moving from paper   
   > to plastic.  It was "for the environment" back then also... to "Save the   
   > Trees!"  So not every environmental idea turns out to be a good one a   
   > generation or so later.   
      
   It's like sex: each new generation thinks they invented it & they do it best.   
      
   I never considered plastic grocery bags to be a problem, nor plastic straws    
   (one picture of a turtle with a straw bent into its mouth 7 nose & the    
   interworld goes CRAZY!)   
      
   How do we know some kid didn't deliberately put that straw like that?   
      
   A better solution to the problem of plastic litter is to put a 25c refundable    
   deposit on everything plastic & disposable.   
      
   I got no beef with litter so much as with pollution.    
      
   If you toss an apple core, sure it looks tacky, to have garage strewn in your    
   neighbourhood, but that core will be absorbed by the natural ecosystem   
   quickly  enough. I tend to toss mine under a bush so it's not openly   
   offensive, & the  little critters can get to it & enjoy it. . . when it rains,   
   it'll rot &  provide fertilizer to the bish's roots.   
      
   If you pour used motor oil into a sewer drain that flows directly into the    
   river or ocean, that's fleeping up the environment for all -- I don't want   
   oil  stuck to my salmon nor any plant or animal population I like to eat   
   being  poisoned.   
      
   If people spit, I don't care either, bt prefer if they spit away from where    
   kids might walk, or wheelchairs might have to roll through it. That's just    
   common courtesy, people! I'm capable of re-absorbing any saliva my body    
   produces, & not worrying about where to loose it that won't be gross or    
   offensive.  As a kid I don't care, but I'm evolving daily. . .   
      
   --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6   
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