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   Hello Alan!   
      
   On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 17:12 -0800, you wrote to me:   
      
    AI> I don't think STARTTLS is what we want today.   
      
   Why?   
      
    AI> In the early going of TLS it was probably the only way forward since   
    AI> there were many destinations that did not support TLS, that is not the   
    AI> case today. I don't read of anyone adopting STARTTLS today, only   
    AI> depricating it.   
      
   I only see a proposal to deprecate STARTTLS _implementation_ in SMTP and other   
   e-mail protocols because obviously implementation has flaws. If implemented   
   properly, I don't see any reason for deprecation.   
      
    AI> If binkps over TLS was implemented today I think implicit TLS is the   
    AI> way to do it.   
      
   I don't agree. If it will be implemented this way, I can bet it will be   
   adopted by less than 1% of systems.   
      
    AI> We need a binkps listener on port 24553 (or the post you   
    AI> intend to use) and a way to start a poll to such a listener.   
      
   And for that we will need a lot of software updated on a lot of systems. Which   
   will most probably never happen.   
      
    AI> I would be willing to test TLS with you if you like, even using   
    AI> STARTTLS. If we got some testing under our belt we could discover what   
    AI> works and what doesn't and be in a better position to give feedback to   
    AI> the binkd developer(s).   
      
   I am not a true coder, at least, I don't have enough skill/time to implement   
   any kind of TLS support in binkd. If someone will do it, I'll be happy to test.   
      
      
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