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     To: T.J. Mcmillen   
     Re: Re: renegade bbs   
     By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Sun Oct 30 2022 06:27 pm   
      
    > JH> You're the one going around pulling bullshit.   
    >   
    > How, by you unzipping and rezipping Renegade and saying you made a better   
    > archive?   
      
      
   all i did was work with jesse and make some sense out of the mess.   
   then i called it an unoffical version for people to download.   
      
      
    > I was talking to Cott on Linkedin the other day, and he had no problem with   
    > me and Renegade.  I don't see why you are so butt hurt.   
      
   bullshit.  he will not talk to anybody about renegade.   
   I'm sure he wouldn't care if a monkey was running renegade, though. He was   
   glad to let it go.   
      
    >   
    > Wow, look folks, he got one right.  I DIDN'T buy Renegade.  Because I was   
    > the one asshole that after everyone else GAVE UP on it, went and looked to   
    > see if   
    > I could get Patrick to add a toggles menu to the logon, and he gave me the   
      
   Patrick spense refused help many times. he also refused to pass it on all the   
   time.  I had a team of people that wanted to work on it and he told them all   
   to fuck off.   
      
   Just like YOU, he wanted to be the renegade developer. He wanted to be the guy   
   with his name on it.   
      
    > code to keep it alive.   Cut 3 years later when Jeff had a hissy fit like a   
    > little girl and released the y2k source because he was mad Renegade was   
    > being worked on.   
      
   I don't even think jeff knew you were playing around with it.   
   Jeff released it because he loaned patrick a bunch of hardware and he didn't   
   give it back and Patrick was ignoring him.   
      
      
    > to Renegade and editable (like 99% of the strings), so you can make it   
    > look/act however you want.   But you never were the one that wanted to take   
    > the easy way ... always trying to play on other people's work with making a   
    > "cool batch file" or "rezipping an archive because you think it's better to   
    > have doors installed" ...   
      
   that's absolutely not true. You're just upset that people used that piece of   
   shit i made.  I am in no way a renegade developer. i just put it up there   
   because i figured it would be useful for people.   
      
   the way your guy did things, it was a huge pain in the ass to update through   
   various versions.   
      
    > You don't even post from your OWN board.  If you love Rob that much, stay on   
    > Dovenet and leave the rest of the world out of this.   
      
   I am posting on my own board.  it's just gated to rob's board.   
   I run 4 bbses but I'm going to take down graveyard for good because i'm sick   
   of using that shitty renegade software.   
      
    > JH> to everyone, but it won't work because I'm here.   
    > Most wish you weren't.  But I like you .... a lot.   
      
   if you knew me you'd know i don't care what people think.   
      
   and I'm not a fan of jason scott but he sure hit the nail on the head:   
      
   "Note from Jason Scott: For a number of years while I worked on the BBS   
   documentary, I came into contact with a good number of the developers for   
   Renegade software. To say there's some miscommunication between different   
   parties is an understatement. Part of the problem (if it can be called that)   
   is that first of all, Renegade was a popular BBS program, meaning there was   
   significant worth and value placed on feature development and work, meaning   
   more pressure for whoever announced they were working on it. Second, the   
   software's source code has been tightly controlled since its creation, meaning   
   that only authorized parties could develop it. This meant a small web of   
   trust, and also meant that if whoever was developing the software wasn't doing   
   so to the satisfaction of the large (non-paying) audience, they recieved an   
   awful lot of grief. Finally, Windows' acceptance and dominance of the x86   
   platform meant that Renegade's development was stalled at several critical   
   junctures. As mentioned above, work has continued, but there are a lot of   
   broken hearts and bad feelings left behind with this program."   
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