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   Message 985 of 2,762   
   Torbjorn Mohn to Mike Ehlert   
   BBBS/D and Netfoss   
   19 Aug 14 21:52:26   
   
   >> Mistaken? I asked, because I didn't know if Netfoss would work that   
   >> way. (in a 32-bit VM running on a 64 bit Windows  Server platform).   
   >> Will it be able to handle telnet communication between BBBS/D and   
   >> the network connection on the 64 bit system? If you say it does,   
   >> fine, but do you know for sure?   
   > I meant that you were mistaken in your statement that Windows 7 and 8   
   > (32-bit versions) require special configurations run 16 bit software.   
   > They do not. Windows 7 32-bit runs DOS applications "Out of the box",   
      
   Well, I have no way of finding out for myself, since I have never ever seen a   
   32 bit windows 7 or 8. I therefore trusted Google which came up with this:   
      
   http://tinyurl.com/o2eyunu   
      
   "While 64-bit copies of Windows 8 do not support 16-bit applications, they are   
   still supported on 32-bit copies. However, they are not supported by default   
   and must be manually turned on with a Control Panel applet: 16-bit Application   
   Support"   
      
   If that is wrong (the last sentence), I'm sorry.. as I said I have no way of   
   verifying that myself.   
      
   > Windows 8 32-bit will ask you about installing NTVDM the first time   
   > that you try to run any DOS program, and you just need to click the   
   > button shown "install this feature" and that is all.   
      
   See above. My source mey be wrong then...   
      
   > I know for sure that most DOS BBS software will work with NetFoss in   
   > a Virtual Machine such as VMware Player, or Windows XP Mode / VPC.   
   > I have tested them with RemoteAccess, EleBBS, GAP, Proboard, PCBoard,   
   > Telegard, Renegade, SpitFire, WildCat, and several others, and I have   
   > not found any FOSSIL aware BBS software that does not work this way.   
   > Although I have not specifically tested BBBS/D in a Virtual Machine,   
   > I have tested it under native Windows 7 32-bit, and because that works   
   > it should also work in a VM.   
      
   OK. THanks for clarifying that.   
      
   >> You MAY think so, and that may work fine for you. But as stated to   
   >> Rudi in my previous message, that's not the case for me. I need more   
   >> than the 4Gig memory the 32-bit systems can handle, for other things.   
   >> The BBS is just a minor part of my setup :-)   
      
   > Running DOS doors under NTVDM (A Virtual Machine itself), under another   
   > Virtual Machine (such as VMware Player, or XP Mode/Virtual PC, causes   
   > the DOS applications to perform considerably slower then on a native   
   > 32-bit (non-virtualized) Windows 32-bit. If you are only running a few   
   > nodes then this performance is not so bad, but if you run many nodes   
   > then the difference in performance this way will become very apparent.   
   > Even only running 1 or 2 nodes, the performance of certain door games   
   > can be visible to the eye, as well as on the CPU Usage monitor in the   
   > Windows Task Manager.   
      
   Which excludes this option if you run a 64 bit environment as I do. I'm never   
   going back to 32 bit, it's histrory to mee. :-)   
      
   > For a BBS running many DOS nodes, it would make sense to use a native   
   > 32-bit Windows without a secondary VM, even on an older PC that is   
   > several years old, and you could always have a second PC with 64-bit   
   > Windows and lots of RAM for other tasks.   
      
   Also not an option in my case, but it makes sense, if possible.   
      
   Rgds   
   Torbjørn   
      
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