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|    Message 985 of 2,762    |
|    Torbjorn Mohn to Mike Ehlert    |
|    BBBS/D and Netfoss    |
|    19 Aug 14 21:52:26    |
      >> Mistaken? I asked, because I didn't know if Netfoss would work that       >> way. (in a 32-bit VM running on a 64 bit Windows Server platform).       >> Will it be able to handle telnet communication between BBBS/D and       >> the network connection on the 64 bit system? If you say it does,       >> fine, but do you know for sure?       > I meant that you were mistaken in your statement that Windows 7 and 8       > (32-bit versions) require special configurations run 16 bit software.       > They do not. Windows 7 32-bit runs DOS applications "Out of the box",              Well, I have no way of finding out for myself, since I have never ever seen a       32 bit windows 7 or 8. I therefore trusted Google which came up with this:              http://tinyurl.com/o2eyunu              "While 64-bit copies of Windows 8 do not support 16-bit applications, they are       still supported on 32-bit copies. However, they are not supported by default       and must be manually turned on with a Control Panel applet: 16-bit Application       Support"              If that is wrong (the last sentence), I'm sorry.. as I said I have no way of       verifying that myself.              > Windows 8 32-bit will ask you about installing NTVDM the first time       > that you try to run any DOS program, and you just need to click the       > button shown "install this feature" and that is all.              See above. My source mey be wrong then...              > I know for sure that most DOS BBS software will work with NetFoss in       > a Virtual Machine such as VMware Player, or Windows XP Mode / VPC.       > I have tested them with RemoteAccess, EleBBS, GAP, Proboard, PCBoard,       > Telegard, Renegade, SpitFire, WildCat, and several others, and I have       > not found any FOSSIL aware BBS software that does not work this way.       > Although I have not specifically tested BBBS/D in a Virtual Machine,       > I have tested it under native Windows 7 32-bit, and because that works       > it should also work in a VM.              OK. THanks for clarifying that.              >> You MAY think so, and that may work fine for you. But as stated to       >> Rudi in my previous message, that's not the case for me. I need more       >> than the 4Gig memory the 32-bit systems can handle, for other things.       >> The BBS is just a minor part of my setup :-)              > Running DOS doors under NTVDM (A Virtual Machine itself), under another       > Virtual Machine (such as VMware Player, or XP Mode/Virtual PC, causes       > the DOS applications to perform considerably slower then on a native       > 32-bit (non-virtualized) Windows 32-bit. If you are only running a few       > nodes then this performance is not so bad, but if you run many nodes       > then the difference in performance this way will become very apparent.       > Even only running 1 or 2 nodes, the performance of certain door games       > can be visible to the eye, as well as on the CPU Usage monitor in the       > Windows Task Manager.              Which excludes this option if you run a 64 bit environment as I do. I'm never       going back to 32 bit, it's histrory to mee. :-)              > For a BBS running many DOS nodes, it would make sense to use a native       > 32-bit Windows without a secondary VM, even on an older PC that is       > several years old, and you could always have a second PC with 64-bit       > Windows and lots of RAM for other tasks.              Also not an option in my case, but it makes sense, if possible.              Rgds       Torbjørn              --- BBBS/NT v4.10 Dada-1        * Origin: Circle Of Protection (2:211/37)    |
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