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   Message 984 of 2,762   
   Mike Ehlert to Torbjorn Mohn   
   BBBS/D and Netfoss   
   10 Aug 14 05:30:00   
   
   Hi Torbjorn,   
      
   TM> Also Windows 7 and 8 in 32 bit versions requires special   
   TM> configuration to run 16 bit software, since this is disabeled   
   TM> as standard.   
      
   ME> You are mistaken about this. All 32 bit Windows 7/8/vista/XP/2000/   
   ME> 2003/2008 will work with NetFoss. There is no special configuration   
   ME> to run 16 bit software on 32-bit Windows, as they all support the   
   ME> NTVDM (Virtual DOS Machine).   
      
   TM> Mistaken? I asked, because I didn't know if Netfoss would work that   
   TM> way. (in a 32-bit VM running on a 64 bit Windows  Server platform).   
   TM> Will it be able to handle telnet communication between BBBS/D and   
   TM> the network connection on the 64 bit system? If you say it does,   
   TM> fine, but do you know for sure?   
      
   I meant that you were mistaken in your statement that Windows 7 and 8   
   (32-bit versions) require special configurations run 16 bit software.   
   They do not. Windows 7 32-bit runs DOS applications "Out of the box",   
      
   Windows 8 32-bit will ask you about installing NTVDM the first time   
   that you try to run any DOS program, and you just need to click the   
   button shown "install this feature" and that is all.   
      
   I know for sure that most DOS BBS software will work with NetFoss in   
   a Virtual Machine such as VMware Player, or Windows XP Mode / VPC.   
   I have tested them with RemoteAccess, EleBBS, GAP, Proboard, PCBoard,   
   Telegard, Renegade, SpitFire, WildCat, and several others, and I have   
   not found any FOSSIL aware BBS software that does not work this way.   
   Although I have not specifically tested BBBS/D in a Virtual Machine,   
   I have tested it under native Windows 7 32-bit, and because that works   
   it should also work in a VM.   
      
      
   ME> I think the best choice is to not use a VM, and just run a 32-bit   
   ME> version of Windows as this is the simplest solution and also faster.   
      
   TM> You MAY think so, and that may work fine for you. But as stated to   
   TM> Rudi in my previous message, that's not the case for me. I need more   
   TM> than the 4Gig memory the 32-bit systems can handle, for other things.   
   TM> The BBS is just a minor part of my setup :-)   
      
   Running DOS doors under NTVDM (A Virtual Machine itself), under another   
   Virtual Machine (such as VMware Player, or XP Mode/Virtual PC, causes   
   the DOS applications to perform considerably slower then on a native   
   32-bit (non-virtualized) Windows 32-bit. If you are only running a few   
   nodes then this performance is not so bad, but if you run many nodes   
   then the difference in performance this way will become very apparent.   
   Even only running 1 or 2 nodes, the performance of certain door games   
   can be visible to the eye, as well as on the CPU Usage monitor in the   
   Windows Task Manager.   
      
   For a BBS running many DOS nodes, it would make sense to use a native   
   32-bit Windows without a secondary VM, even on an older PC that is   
   several years old, and you could always have a second PC with 64-bit   
   Windows and lots of RAM for other tasks.   
      
   Regards, Mike   
      
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