On Jan 4, 12:43 pm, Elko T  wrote:   
   > M.J. Sammon wrote:   
   >   
   > > "We are a way for the universe to know itself." Carl Sagan, Cosmos.   
   >   
   > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1175883507954918704#Fast forward to   
   > > the last 15s of the video.   
   >   
   > > Did JMS ever reference Sagan on this phrase or did it pre-date Sagan?   
   >   
   >    As I have mentioned before, the idea that humans are the way for the   
   universe   
   > to understand itself, is old, and goes back to Hegel. Here's what I posted to   
   > the newsgroup about 2 years ago:   
   >   
   >    The first time I heard it expressed in more or less the same form, was in   
   > 1981-1983 (I don't remember exactly) by a guy named Aya Anthony, a Nigerian,   
   at   
   > the time a student in Sofia University. As for earlier expressions of the   
   same   
   > idea, albeit in different form, I can think of Hegel. True, in his theory it   
   was   
   > God attempting to understand himself through humans, but since in Hegel's   
   system   
   > God is part of everything (Universe included) it amounts to the same thing.   
   > Funnily, according to Hegel, it was through Hegel's own philosophy that the   
   > Universe/God finally understood itself, and that was that.  ;)   
   >   
   > --   
   > No, no, you can't e-mail me with the nono.   
   i like carl's "a way" over hegel's "the way"   
   intelligence may only be an artifact   
   lg   
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