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|    Roy Witt to TOM WALKER    |
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|    24 Mar 13 11:26:26    |
      TOM WALKER wrote to ROY WITT:               RW> TW>> IT lowers the emmissions, In fact California requites a higher        RW> TW>> engine temperture to LOWER the enissions               RW>> Nobody cares what CA requires, except law abiding Californians. The        RW>> rest of us use lower temperature thermostats in our cars. I used a        RW>> 180 in my Z28 when I lived in CA. Some people I knew at the time        RW>> also had altered their exhaust to eliminate oxygen sensors in the        RW>> exhaust, in an attempt to increase fuel/air ratios. Some even        RW>> removed the cats...               TW> You made a statement "implying" that Higher Engine temperature Raises        TW> Emissions. I mearly rebutted that statement saying it actualy LOWERS        TW> it.              I didn't say any such thing. Not to mention that all of those guys who       have 180 thermostats in their cars and have removed the Cats still pass       emissions tests, IN CALIFORNIA...if the test stations even thought that a       Cat was removed, the cars wouldn't pass the visual check.               RW> RW>>> If you have a better explanation, I'm all ears.               RW> TW>> Well the Engine Block switch and the AC fan control are two        RW> TW>> seperate circuits and should not interfere with each other.               RW>> After consulting the factory Service Manual, I'm going to stick by        RW>> my statement.               RW>> /quote        RW>> Engine Electric Coolant Fans        RW>> Coolant fan operation is crucial to the proper operation of the air        RW>> conditioning system. The coolant fans ensure the proper amount of        RW>> air flow acrosss the condenser throughout the vehicle operating        RW>> range.               RW>> Fan operation should be checked during any air conditioning        RW>> diagnosis procedure. Special attention should be given to the fan        RW>> wheneve excessive high side pressures are encountered. /unquote               TW> That quote has nothing to do with the Engine Block heat switch and        TW> the operation of the Fan to pervent engine overheating.              On the contrary...               TW> IF your FAN was not responding the the engine block temperature        TW> switch you had ANOTHER problem totally indepebndent to what the AC        TW> system was reporting.              Wrong.               RW> TW>> NOT being a Chevrolet Fan I got this from www.camaroz28.com on        RW> TW>> coolant fan not runing if AC looses charge               RW> TW>> ****               RW> TW>> There are 7 things to consider:        RW> TW>> (the first 4 are ruled out because you said that the fan worked        RW> TW>> when the A/C was working.) Item 5; either the coolant        RW> TW>> temperature isn't reaching 238øF, or faulty wiring to the relay.        RW> TW>> Item 6; ECM fan driver may be bad. unforunately the ECM will        RW> TW>> need replacing. Using an adjustable temp switch (for        RW> TW>> winter/summer) would save you the trouble of buying a new ECM,        RW> TW>> but you'll lose the control the ECM has for different        RW> TW>> conditions.               RW>> Neither of these are what is happening. The coolant temp doesn't        RW>> ever go to 238F in any case. Even if you have a factory 195F        RW>> thermostat, it won't go that high. And, since the system works as it        RW>> is supposed to work when it is charged, I don't believe for a minute        RW>> that there is anything wrong with the system (other than a system        RW>> leak).               RW>> You cannot perform a fan operation check without certain diagnostic        RW>> tools, as specified by GM.               TW> Than why is it suggested you Ground the Wire GOING to the Block Fan        TW> switch to see if the FAN would run?              You must be using older, before OBD I, information.               TW> WHICH it should, THEIR WORDS NOT MINE!!!!              I'll use the 1998 Service Manual to diagnose and repair what their testing       reveals...it specifically applies to the 1998 product rather than some       generic unknown source.                      R\%/itt                     --- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012        * Origin: Texas Lone-Star - Texan, American, USAian (1:387/22)    |
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