ml> i've said it before and it always seems to be true... even with decent   
   ml> knife sets... it all comes down to using "cheap" chinese stainless    
   ml> steel... more specifically that which has larger chunks of carbon    
   ml> in the mix... after a time, this carbon starts breaking out and    
   ml> then you have a hole that gets worse and worse unti lit breaks...   
      
    MH> I don't think these were ever made out of stainless steel.  Seems   
    MH> to be cost cutting - and have seen this will all the automakers.     
      
   yep... the bean counters have infested everything... the cost of greed and   
   forcing folks to buy a product again after X years plus paying more attention   
   to making $$$ for stockholders has driven the quality of goods down and the   
   cost of those goods up...   
      
    MH> Part of it I think is because they really don't want the vehicles   
    MH> to last. They want you to buy new ones every 3-5 years.  I don't   
    MH> fit that mold.    
      
   that's exactly what it is... you're not the only one that doesn't fit that   
   mold, too... there are many but they don't voice their disapproval... at least   
   not in a way as to bring the quality back and the items last longer like they   
   used to do...   
      
    MH> Speaking of the rust issue, cheap outdoor grills (and even some   
    MH> expensive ones) do the same thing.     
      
   yup... most of them are of chinese manufacture these days, too...   
      
    MH> If it is something that will be outside in the elements and you   
    MH> want it to last, you must use materials that don't rust.   
      
   exactly...   
      
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