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|    Bill Burton to Roy Witt    |
|    Re: Stop Wasting Your Oil!    |
|    17 Oct 12 09:00:14    |
      RW> MSGID: 1:387/22 507dcce5       RW> CHRS: CP437 2       RW> TZUTC: 0000       RW> Stop Changing Your Oil                       I am an ASE certified master automobile and auto body technician and have been       certified for more than 20 years.               I have rebuilt numerous engines and the older ones do need frequent oil       changes to prevent harmful deposits and build up, however engines with       computer controlls since the late 90's can go 20,000 miles on an oil change       with filter changes every 5,000 miles.               I have been using full synethetic oil for over 30 years and have used the       above proceedure with no adverse effects. I tested a couple engines using       30,000 mile changes with no problems. Aircraft jets and turboprops have been       using synthetic oils since the late 1950's and never change the oil only the       filter and keep it topped off.                        RW> By Philip Reed, Senior Consumer Advice Editor, Ronald Montoya, Consumer       RW> Advice Associate | Published Aug 24, 2010               RW> Oil chemistry and engine technology have evolved tremendously in recent       RW> years, but you'd never know it from the quick-change behavior of American       RW> car owners. Driven by an outdated 3,000-mile oil change commandment, they       RW> are unnecessarily spending millions of dollars and spilling an ocean of       RW> contaminated waste oil.               RW> Although the average car's oil change interval is around 7,800 miles -       RW> and       RW> as high as 20,000 miles in some cars - this wasteful cycle continues       RW> largely because the automotive service industry, while fully aware of the       RW> technological advances, continues to preach the 3,000-mile gospel as a       RW> way       RW> to keep the service bays busy. As a result, even the most cautious owners       RW> are dumping their engine oil twice as often as their service manuals       RW> recommend.               RW> After interviews with oil experts, mechanics and automakers, one thing is       RW> clear: The 3,000-mile oil change is a myth that should be laid to rest.       RW> Failing to heed the service interval in your owner's manual wastes oil       RW> and       RW> money, while compounding the environmental impact of illicit waste-oil       RW> dumping.               RW> Scared Into Needless Service       RW> Part of the blame for this over-servicing lies in our insecurities about       RW> increasingly complicated engines that are all but inaccessible to the       RW> average driver. Pop open the hood of a modern car, and a mass of plastic       RW> covers wall off the engine. On some vehicles, the only thing an owner can       RW> easily access is the oil cap.               RW> "Vehicles are so sophisticated that oil is one of the last things that       RW> customers can have a direct influence over," said Matt Snider, project       RW> engineer in GM's Fuels and Lubricants Group. "There's maybe some feeling       RW> that they're taking care of their vehicle if they change their oil more       RW> often."               RW> The 3,000-mile myth is also promoted by the quick lube industry's       RW> "convenient reminder" windshield sticker. It is a surprisingly effective       RW> tool that prompts us to continue following a dictate that our fathers (or       RW> grandfathers) drummed into our heads: It's your duty to change your oil       RW> every 3,000 miles - or your car will pay the price. But as former service       RW> advisor David Langness put it, the 3,000-mile oil change is "a marketing       RW> tactic that dealers use to get you into the service bay on a regular       RW> basis. Unless you go to the drag strip on weekends, you don't need it."               RW> Because busy car owners seldom read their owner's manuals, most have no       RW> idea of the actual oil change interval for their cars. And so they       RW> blindly       RW> follow the windshield reminder sticker, whether it's an accurate       RW> indicator       RW> of the need for an oil change or not. "I just go by the sticker in the       RW> windshield," one well-to-do, educated Denver Lexus owner said.       RW> "Otherwise,       RW> how would I know when to change it?"               RW> A career Navy mechanic who bought an Edmunds.com long-term car just       RW> shrugged when he was told that the vehicle had safely gone 13,000 miles       RW> between oil changes. "I'll just keep changing the oil every 5,000 miles,"       RW> he said. "It's worked well for me in the past."               RW> Our oil change addiction also comes from the erroneous argument that       RW> nearly all cars should be serviced under the "severe" schedule found in       RW> the owner's manual. In fact, a quiz on the Web site maintained by Jiffy       RW> Lube International Inc. (owned by petrochemical giant Shell Oil Company)       RW> recommends the severe maintenance schedule for virtually every kind of       RW> driving pattern.               RW> The argument that most people drive under severe conditions is losing its       RW> footing, however. A number of automakers, including Ford and GM, have       RW> contacted Edmunds data editors to request that the maintenance section of       RW> Edmunds' site substitute the normal maintenance schedule for the severe       RW> schedule that had been displayed.               RW> About the only ones that really need a 3,000-mile oil change are the       RW> quick-lube outlets and dealership service departments. In their internal       RW> industry communications, they're frank about how oil changes bring in       RW> customers. "Many people...know when to have their oil changed but don't       RW> pay that much attention to it," said an article in the National Oil and       RW> Lube News online newsletter. "Take advantage of that by using a window       RW> sticker system [and] customers will be making their way back to you in a       RW> few short months."               RW> Another National Oil and Lube News article tied the frequency of oil       RW> changes to success in pushing related products and services. For a       RW> midsize       RW> SUV, the stepped-up oil change intervals will bring in $1,800 over the       RW> life of the car, the article says. "A few extra services [or oil changes]       RW> can go a long way toward increasing the amount of money a customer will       RW> spend during the lifespan we estimated here," the article concludes.               RW> Today's Oil Goes the Distance       RW> While the car-servicing industry is clear about its reasons for believing       RW> in the 3,000-mile oil change, customers cling to it only because they're       RW> largely unaware of advances in automotive technology. Among 2010 models,       RW> the average recommended oil change interval, based on a normal service       RW> schedule, is about 7,800 miles - more than double the traditional       RW> 3,000-mile interval. The longest oil change interval is 20,000 miles, for       RW> all Porsches. The shortest oil change interval is 5,000 miles in some       RW> late-model Toyotas, but the carmaker has begun shifting its fleet to       RW> 10,000-mile oil change intervals using synthetic oil.               RW> "Oil has changed quite a bit and most of that isn't transparent to the       RW> average consuming public," said Robert Sutherland, principal scientist at       RW> Pennzoil Passenger Car Engine Lubricants. Synthetic oils, such as the       RW> popular Mobil 1, are stretching oil change intervals, leaving the       RW> 3,000-mile mark in the dust. "The great majority of new vehicles today       RW> have a recommended oil change interval greater than 3,000 miles," said       RW> Mobil spokeswoman Kristen A. Hellmer. The company's most advanced       RW> synthetic product (Mobil 1 Extended Performance) is guaranteed for 15,000       RW> miles.               RW> Today's longer oil change intervals are due to:               RW> Improved "robustness" of today's oils, with their ability to protect       RW> engines from wear and heat and still deliver good fuel economy with low       RW> emissions       RW> Tighter tolerances (the gap between metal moving parts) of modern       RW> engines       RW> The introduction of oil life monitoring systems, which notify the       RW> driver when an oil change is required and are based on the way the car is       RW> driven and the conditions it encounters               RW> For 2010 vehicles, 14 of 35 carmakers are now using oil life monitoring       RW> systems. One GM car driven by Edmunds went 13,000 miles before the       RW> monitoring system indicated the need for an oil change. We sent a sample       RW> of that oil to a lab for analysis. The results showed the oil could have       RW> safely delivered at least another 2,000 miles of service.               RW> Oil experts and car manufacturers are solidly on the side of the       RW> less-frequent oil changes that these formulation changes make possible.       RW> "If customers always just stayed with the 3,000-mile recommendation,       RW> there'd be these great strides in the robustness of oil that oil       RW> companies       RW> have made [that] wouldn't be utilized," said GM's Matt Snider. Consumers,       RW> he said, would be "throwing away good oil."               RW> Chris Risdon, a product education specialist for Toyota agreed, adding       RW> that oil technology advances that permit fewer changes are a tool to       RW> protect the environment. "If you're doing it half as much, that's 5       RW> quarts       RW> of oil times 1.7 million vehicles a year - that's a tremendous amount of       RW> waste oil that's not being circulated into the environment."               RW> Waste oil is a problem exacerbated by too-frequent oil changes, according       RW> to the California Integrated Waste Management Board, which has campaigned       RW> against the 3,000-mile dictate. The agency says that 153.5 million       RW> gallons       RW> of used oil is generated in California annually, but only 59 percent of       RW> it       RW> is recycled.               RW> Our Fit Gets Taken for a Ride       RW> To see what might happen to the average car owner, we took a 2007 Honda       RW> Fit to Jiffy Lube for an oil change. The car has an oil life monitoring       RW> system, and the system has recommended the past two oil change intervals       RW> at 5,500 miles and 7,600 miles on non-synthetic oil. In both cases, an       RW> engine oil analysis revealed that the oil could have provided at least       RW> another 2,000 miles of service.               RW> On this occasion, we told the Jiffy Lube service advisor we were       RW> considering synthetic Mobil 1 because we heard it could extend our oil       RW> change intervals. The service advisor said the synthetic oil could enable       RW> the Fit to go 4,000 or 5,000 miles before the oil "burned out." The Mobil       RW> 1 oil change had a price tag of $92.39. The technician also took the       RW> opportunity to upsell us, recommending a cabin air filter for $49.99. The       RW> total for our visit, after a $15 coupon, was $132.72.               RW> When the car was returned to us, the sticker in the window called for an       RW> oil change in 3,000 miles, not the 4,000 or 5,000 miles the service       RW> advisor had promised.               RW> If we were foolish enough to follow Jiffy Lube's 3,000-mile change       RW> schedule (which is essentially the advice given by all quick oil change       RW> outlets and dealership service departments), the Fit would undergo four       RW> unnecessary oil changes per year (assuming 15,000 miles per year of       RW> driving), wasting $369 and 15.2 quarts of perfectly good oil. Over five       RW> years of the car's life and 60,000 miles of driving, this would amount to       RW> $1,847 and 125 quarts of wasted oil. This does not include other       RW> "upselling" items at each visit, such as cabin air filters.               RW> Defending the 3,000-Mile Interval       RW> The quick oil change industry justifies its perpetuation of the       RW> 3,000-mile       RW> standard by saying that most people drive under "severe" conditions.       RW> Jiffy       RW> Lube's quiz, mentioned earlier in this article, is one example of how       RW> that       RW> notion is reinforced in drivers' minds. An oil change company       RW> representative said the 3,000-mile recommendation is meant to be just       RW> that       RW> - a recommendation.               RW> Scott Cudini, innovations manager for Jiffy Lube, repeatedly called the       RW> 3,000-mile interval a good "fallback position," meant to be a guideline       RW> but not a hard-and-fast rule. He added that Jiffy Lube technicians would       RW> initiate a "dialogue" with customers about the oil change intervals that       RW> apply specifically to their cars.               RW> "In most cases," Cudini said, "even if customers' cars have been       RW> plastered       RW> with that 3,000-mile sticker, they may have been told by the service       RW> advisor that, 'By the way, Sir/Madam, your interval is 5,500 miles.'"       RW> Based on our experience at Jiffy Lube and other quick-change outlets,       RW> technicians rarely initiate dialogues that could provide accurate       RW> information about oil change intervals. In fact, according to a Jiffy       RW> Lube       RW> spokesperson, the system for supplying technicians with answers only       RW> gives       RW> them information from a vehicle's severe schedule.               RW> The quick-change industry's deep fallback argument in favor of frequent       RW> oil changes is that they are a hedge against trouble. You can't hurt your       RW> engine by changing your oil too often, so doesn't that imply that it       RW> might       RW> actually help it? Well, no.               RW> Steve Mazor, manager of American Automobile Association's Research       RW> Center,       RW> said that more-frequent-than-necessary oil changes will not "gain any       RW> additional life for your engine or any improved fuel economy." He added,       RW> "In reality it will make little or no difference to the performance of       RW> the       RW> vehicle."               RW> The Right Time To Change Your Oil       RW> So where does this leave the car owner who was raised on the perceived       RW> wisdom of the 3,000-mile oil change? For a full discussion, your next       RW> stop       RW> should be our related article, "When Should You Change Your Oil?," which       RW> will save you hundreds of dollars over the next few years and fully       RW> protect your car and its warranty, while limiting the use of a natural       RW> resource.               RW> The short answer, meanwhile, is to consult your service manual or       RW> Edmunds'       RW> maintenance section to learn your car's actual oil change schedule. If       RW> your car has an oil life monitoring system, don't try to second-guess it.       RW> Understand how it works and follow its guidelines. To probe more deeply       RW> into this subject, consider sending a sample of the oil from your next       RW> oil       RW> change to a lab such as Blackstone Laboratories, for an inexpensive       RW> analysis. Our last suggestion? Rip that sticker off your windshield.               RW> c Edmunds Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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