TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A46   
   MSGID: 1:106/127 02b99ef1   
   TZUTC: 0000   
   On 01 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...   
    AA> Offloading to an SD card would be sweet.   
    AA>    
    AA> On my Blackberry, I can establish which storage device any app     
    AA> uses.  It's in the overall Settings section of the phone.  I     
    AA> don't really need the extra storage that an SD card offers, but     
    AA> decided to configure the camera to stash the pics onto the SD     
    AA> card. The document and music apps can be adjusted too.   
    AA>    
      
   Yeah. This particular phone, a    Motorola, doesn't allow moving apps to SD,   
   only photos, music etc.  I used to habe a Samsung or LG that allowed apps and   
   their storage to be on an SD card.  That would likely work better for me.   
      
    AA>  CP> But there has always been complaints about changes to how   
    AA>  CP> and where Fidonet traffic is.   
    AA>    
    AA> I'm ok with that. Some initial complaints take the form of     
    AA> concern which are a form of inquiry.  But to kick up a dust storm     
    AA> with no suggestion that there are options for educational     
    AA> discussion is sad.   
    AA>    
      
   Unfortunately, you're going to have that. You'll never be able to please   
   everyone.    
      
    AA>  CP> "Privacy" concerns just seem to loom larger these days than   
    AA>  CP> in the past.   
    AA>    
    AA> There is no provision in Fido technology for privacy.  Everything     
    AA> is in the clear. The nature of echomail is open and public     
    AA> discussion.  The privacy in netmail is under the discretion of     
    AA> the sysop of the system it passes through - whether it be via     
    AA> email using Juno, a VPS hosted BBS somewhere or whatever.   
    AA>    
    AA> But it may be true that a few more people are tuned to privacy     
    AA> concerns about any communications medium these days.   
    AA>    
    AA> I'd say to those persons if you expect privacy and "control" of     
    AA> your messages, then don't participate in Fidonet.  :(   
    AA>    
    AA> But I like the idea of the option of encrypted packets, and     
    AA> systems carrying the "ENC" flag.  That, at least is a good   
    AA> indication that things don't necessarily have to remain blatantly     
    AA> in-the-clear if FTN systems are willing to cooperate.   
    AA>    
      
   I think that at least some of the privacy concerns are a matter of   
   perspective.   
      
   Yes, Fidonet is a public forum of sorts, but it is operated on private   
   systems by individuals. I would guess the privacy in most cases is more about   
   it being posted outside of Fidonet.     
      
   Once the understanding that Telegram Groups aren't a "public" forum that   
   anyone can see, but have to be joined like a BBS does, those questions seemed   
   too go away.   
    AA>  CP> Again, I still say it was a communication problem. I   
    AA>  CP> remember Carol mentioning at least that the link was coming.   
    AA>  CP> That's more than those echos you mention above did.   
    AA>    
    AA> True. I got the moderator approvals, but the moderators did not     
    AA> say "wait until we make an announcement". A day or two later, I     
    AA> forwarded the info to Stas, and then a day or two later, Stas     
    AA> worked on getting feeds. The total time for all that took about a     
    AA> week for the 1st echo go live. I think it was nearly 2 weeks     
    AA> before one of the later echos went live.  If a moderator was     
    AA> concerned about communication there was plenty of time to achieve     
    AA> that in their own echo.  ;)   But none of the mods spoke up or     
    AA> raised concerns at the time.   
    AA>    
      
   The moderators obviously didn't have the concerns. Those came from   
   users/sysops that had no idea that the echos were going to be gated.   
      
   The moderators could have let their respective echos know beforehand,  That   
   way, those people with questions could voice them and they could be   
   addressed.Instead, they got the appearance of "Hey, this echo is being   
   broadcast on the internet now".  That's not actually the case, but it could   
   seem that way to people that do 't know what Telegram is.   
    AA> But then, do you expect that every time a sysop changes to host     
    AA> their BBS on a new VPS and other "obviously commericial" servers?     
    AA> ;)   
      
   You wouldn't accept my argument that the Telegram Groups are a de facto BBS,   
   with Stas's bot being the mailer/tosser, but you're going to compare it to a   
   BBS changing hosts?   
      
   I'm just saying, although I see the Telegram groups linked to FTN Echos as a   
   type of BBS, it is still something not very well known to the BBS public.   
      
   I accept some responsibility as well. I was working on an article for   
   Fidonews or fidogazette or both, but my wifeps illness kept me from finishing   
   it.   
      
    AA>  CP> Yes, there are going to be some users and even sysops   
    AA>  CP> opposed to the idea, but they are free to no longer   
    AA>  CP> participate in the echo if it bothers them that much.   
    AA>    
    AA> Absolutely.  Freedom is wonderful.   
    AA>    
    AA> I am enjoying the Fidonews postings from 30 year ago to     
    AA> comp.org.fidonet.  Man.. users and sysops really seemed to care     
    AA> about the progress of the hobby back then. In one of the latest     
    AA> issues was a concern to be expected to carry a specific echo and     
    AA> even the carry the Fidonews newsletter itself.   
    AA> --   
      
   You still have people like that. And you have people that love their software   
   that they've used for decades and don't like change. Unfortunately, the later   
   group is far more vocal about it, at least in Z1 from what I can tell.   
      
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