This was originally in POL-DISORDER.....note the date:   
      
   On 01-25-09, EARL CROASMUN said to ALL:   
      
   EC>Bob Klahn has decided that he will no longer participate in this echo.   
   EC>Given the number of times that his shallow thinking, dishonesty, and   
   EC>childishness have been exposed here, perhaps he made the right decision.   
      
      
   EC>But instead of preserving some sense of honor and integrity by simply   
   EC>leaving, he has chosen the cowardly approach of intentionally and   
   EC>repeatedly violating the rules and getting himself banned.  This will   
   EC>allow him to pretend that he was a martyr who was persecuted.  Wilson may   
   EC>even buy that line, but no one else will.   
      
      
   EC>Regulars will notice that this is an old Klahn standard strategy.  He   
   EC>doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions.  He likes to pretend   
   EC>that his actions are "forced" upon him.  You may remember his old line   
   EC>that he NEVER WANTS to flame anyone, but sometimes they FORCE him to flame   
   EC>them. In his mind, Bob sees himself as easily pushed around, easily   
   EC>bullied, and easily forced to do things that he doesn't want to do.  There   
   EC>are clear childhood issues there.   
      
      
   EC>Klahn wants to be banned.  Klahn is now banned from this echo.  Everyone   
   EC>else here is free to discuss him and to respond in this echo to posts he   
   EC>makes in the DEBATE echo or any other echo, as long as your comments   
   EC>follow the rules of the echo: no threats and no actionable defamation.  He   
   EC>has several available avenues of response to what you say here, including   
   EC>his own echo.   
      
      
   EC>On 1/24/2009 10:58 AM, bob klahn wrote to EARL CROASMUN:   
      
      
   ~>  EC> Take a two week vacation from the echo.  Over the last   
   ~>  EC> several months you have violated the rules of your echo   
   ~>  EC> repeatedly.  And now you have hypocritically acted against   
   ~>  EC> Otto for using the word "lie" in a post, even though you   
   ~>  EC> have done the same here.  It is sad that you cannot follow   
   ~>  EC> your own rules, but you had ample warnings.  Feel free to   
   ~>  EC> use CROSSFIRE, MATZDOBRE, or DEBATE to continue your end of   
   ~>  EC> threads, but do not post in this echo prior to Feb. 7.   
      
      
   ~>  Because of your absurd insistance on trying to enforce my echo   
   ~>  rules in your echo against me I had to write a rule in my echo   
   ~>  against echo sabatoge.   
      
      
   ~>  This is going to be difficult, because you have just committed   
   ~>  echo sabatoge.   
      
      
   EC>He "had to."  It is "difficult."  Classic victimology.  Poor Bob!  He   
   EC>thinks that FOLLOWING the rules of his echo somehow SABOTAGES his echo!   
   EC>All he had to do was follow his own rules, and he just COULD NOT DO IT!   
      
      
   ~>  You are banned from the Debate echo until you abandon this   
   ~>  blatant attempt to sabatoge my echo.   
      
      
   EC>Oh no!  Not that!  Will he also ban me from MENSA, where he sits and talks   
   EC>to himself?   
      
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