Hi TOM!   
      
   21 Jan 2016 10:28, from TOM WALKER -> RICHARD MENEDETTER:   
      
    RM>> For me tha HAM hobby is about communication and technical   
    RM>> experimentation. By all available channels!   
    TW> Left out several critical words.   
      
   Here is the definition of the ITU:   
   "A radiocommunication service for the purpose of selftraining, i   
   tercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that   
   is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a   
   personal aim and without pecuniary interest."   
      
    TW> IT is about doing those things using RF energy being   
    TW> transmitted.   
      
   Indeed.   
   In some part of the chain RF energy should be involved.   
      
   The difference in viewpoints between us seems to be that for you it /must/   
   only contain RF, while for me it is enough if it contains RF somewhere in the   
   path.   
      
   At the end I think it is "whatever floats ones boat" ;)   
      
   I think it is best if we agree to disagree on some points, and enjoy the   
   discussion about the many things we do not disagree about ;)   
      
    TW> And if one reqally Known the principple of HAM Radion one can see much   
    TW> Techgnical advances.   
    TW> Rember that we recieves RF privedledges becasue onters saw the freques   
    TW> were allowed to us a Worthless. HAM experiments proved that Wrong.   
      
   Indeed.   
   But please do not forget that I am new to the hobby.   
   I have my callsign only for less than 1 year. (started a bit late, but better   
   late than never).   
      
   But there were some really interesting talks in my club about spark gap   
   senders, early CW, etc.   
      
    TW> Tehre is NO real advance by using fiber or land wire in the process.   
    TW> In fact it is an Embarisment that some try and call that "Ham   
    TW> Radio"!!!   
      
   Here we disagree very much.   
      
   For ME there is nothing wrong by connecting two radios (using RF energy) by an   
   IP Link.   
      
   I think it is best if we agree to disagree on that point.   
      
   I had a QSO with a US citizen on DRM world wide.   
   We both used DMR radios over the air (and with RF energy) but in between was   
   the bad, old internet.   
      
   Quality and understandability was much better than in 95% of the atmospheric   
   conditions that you have over SW.   
      
   Naturally shortwave is a very interesting and great experience.   
   But for me BOTH are part of /my/ HAM hobby.   
      
   If you consider the second worthless, no problem to me!   
   Just accept that /I/ like it, and that it is part of /my/ definition of /my/   
   hobby ;)   
      
   CU, Ricsi   
      
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