Hi mark!   
      
   Sorry ... was busy.   
   We received a VERY nice present for our clubstation OE1XAW.   
   Nice rack + additional Servers.   
      
   https://odroid.ricsi.priv.at/oe1xaw.jpg   
      
   We have consolidated everything into the rack yesterday.   
      
   Just need some more ideas of what to do with the servers.   
   2 operational. 3 not yet used ;)   
   (3 not yet used ones are less powerfull dual Xeon 3GHz and 2x single P4 2.8GHz)   
      
   One of them has 22 GB of RAM ;)))   
   The other has 6 TB HDD space.   
      
   Currently runnung there:   
   OE1XTW Tetra Repeater   
   SVXLink Echolink connection for above.   
   APRS Digipeater   
   HAMNet Router   
   SIP Server + Phones for HAMNet   
   3g FemtoCell   
   ShinySDR for shortwave and higher frequencies (1 RTLSDR with direct sampling,   
   second normal one)   
   2 Internet Connections (VDSL and Satellite + dual HAMNet links)   
   UPS   
      
   On the table beside it is the actual Clubstation 2 Yaesu shortwave   
   transceivers and transceiver for 2m/70 cm.   
   2 PACTOR modems for emergency communication over shortwave.   
      
      
   18 Jan 2016 19:50, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:   
      
    RM>>>> I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.   
      
    ml> the ""problem"" such as it is comes when non-radio is involved...   
    ml> you won't be able to reach those folks on the other side of the IP   
    ml> connection when the internet is down over there...   
      
   So what?!?   
   People are not reachable over SW if the LUF/MUF are not favorable and the   
   ionospheric conditions are not OK.   
      
   I do not see the problem, just try a different means of communication or wait   
   until the IP connection comes up.   
      
   Or do it like we do, have a UPS backed satelite IP link ;)   
   (Got it donated + running costs are also covered!)   
      
   I really do not understand the argument "I will not use it because of the   
   faint chance the Internet could be unreachable".   
   For me tha HAM hobby is about communication and technical experimentation.   
   By all available channels!   
      
    ml> this is like all the new-fangled VOIP cr4p that everyone is jumping   
    ml> on... how can you call your provider when the internet is down??   
      
   Mobile??   
      
   Here in austria you usually still get a POTS line in addition to your IP   
   access.   
   Only two people I know have actually a phone connected there.   
   The others do not bother any more!   
      
    ml> same difference... if all your supposedly ham radio contacts are on   
    ml> the other side of an IP connection, them you're s#ite out of luck...   
    ml> in a real emergency, that can cost lives...   
      
   Why??   
   I still have SW, FM, PACTOR, Tetra, ...   
      
   Just one redundant way of communication broke away!   
      
    RM>>>> 3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over   
    RM>>>> radio except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two   
    RM>>>> repeaters can be seperated by thousands of kilometers or   
    RM>>>> whatever non-SI units you like.   
    HG>>> This is where our opinions differ.   
    RM>> Indeed ;)   
    RM>> But some people here claim that there are no differing oppinions   
    RM>> ;))   
    ml> you have to know those folks and where they are coming from...   
    ml> you're pretty new here in this echo   
      
   Indeed you are right.   
   Taken a 10 year absence (or so) from Fidonet.   
   Before that I did not have my callsign, which I only made less than a year ago.   
      
    ml> and some folks have very strigent ideas about what the HAM hobby is   
    ml> all about...   
      
   So do I.   
   My ideas are VERY broad, especially since I come from a computer science   
   background.   
      
   I would have no problem whatsoever if they would say:   
   "For /me/ that is not HAM"   
   or   
   "This does not fit /my/ definition of the HAM hobby"   
      
    ml> it isn't just about making contacts... it is more about being able to   
    ml> communicate when other modes are no longer available...   
      
   Interesting, because this is also part of the HAM mix here.   
   But only with a usually lower priority (like earth-moon-earth transmissions,   
   which are also part of the HAM hobby, but kinda exotic)   
      
   OE1XAW is actually a little exception, as it is part of the austrian emergency   
   network.   
      
    HG>>> As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other   
    HG>>> than radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio   
    RM>> For me it is HAM if it is related to my radio hobby.   
    RM>> Including the above usecase and also for example Echolink (at   
    RM>> least when there is at least one real radio repeater involved ;)   
    ml> radio wave comms are the last bastion... the one that can save lives   
    ml> and keep disparate groups connected when the worst comes... think   
    ml> climate change and whole earth icing...   
      
   We over here are not so fixated on that aspect.   
   I personally also look a bit strangely at the "Prepper" movement over there.   
      
   The definition over here is simply a technical and experimental radio service,   
   with the emphasis on trying out different communications modes, and heavily   
   focusing on the technical aspects.   
      
   For example Software Defined Radio (SDR) is a very hot topic over here.   
   Sadly the SW transceivers are still damed expensive (one club member bought   
   one, but it is outside of my financial scope at the moment ;)   
      
    RM>> Live and let live.   
    RM>> We have different viewpoints - so what ;))   
    ml> that's a huge "what" when it comes down to being able to contact   
    ml> others or not...   
      
   There seems to be a huge cultureal difference here.   
   For me it is not about mainly communicating when the zombies attack, but   
   simply "playing" with the technologies and learning different aspects of the   
   HAM hobby.   
      
   Meaning trying many different things.   
   WHISPER comes to mind ... did not play with that YET ;)   
      
    RM>> As we speak about that - I assume that the DV4Mini is seen as   
    RM>> pure evil coming directly from hell ;)))   
    ml> that url is broken all to hades... you should also use a url   
    ml> shortening service when posting any urls longer than 75 characters...   
      
   here you are   
   http://tinyurl.com/znkrwxt   
      
    ml> )\/(ark   
      
   CU, Ricsi   
      
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