> The FT-450D is an update 450 ... minor additions + the ATU is now   
    > there by default, and is no longer optional. So if you buy a new one,   
    > the ATU will be there. If you buy a used FT-450 (no D) you need to   
    > check that the ATU option is installed.   
      
   Yep, that was my point, I think I was tired when I posted that last time and    
   it went a bit sideways..  I had a FT-450 non D that had the auto tuner    
   installed.  It was a nice radio, previous owner had the tx opened.. he was a    
   ham but also did freeband CB...  Personally I find it easier to use a real CB    
   as a CB then mess with a good ham rig.  I have a nice Cobra 135xlr for when i    
   want to do that..  usualy to see if roads are bad..   
      
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