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From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com

On 7/14/2020 10:06 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
> On 7/13/2020 11:57 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
>> 50% Increase in New Cases, every 10 days.
>>
>> My unscientific, ad hoc (educated) guesstimation...
>>
>>
>> The 150,000 could come much faster.  This is up up and away.
>>
>> We know stay-at-home works.
>>
>> 2,000 new cases per day in California before stay-at-home abandoned before
5/30.
>> 8,000 new cases per day in California now, in 6 weeks.
>>
>> We cannot continue stay-at-home without government money.
>>
>> Moving around = social distancing.
>>
>> It's sitting in one place, especially indoors, that gets someone infected
with
>> COVID.
>>
>> Work, commercial parties, restaurants, barber shops, nail salons, public
>> transportation.
>>
>> Unless you "catch cold."  Even at the gym, you MOVE AROUND while in it,
compared
>> to sitting at one place in a restaurant, at work, or at a party, breathing
the
>> virus in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out.
>>
>> Employee protections matter.  You can't employee people to commit self-harm.
>> Commerce is exploitation, but instead of prohibition, we proceed as follows.
>>
>> We deserve a forbearance on all old rent and debt, and $1,250 per month for
every
>> man woman and child.  Or else we have to go socialist, figuring there will
never
>> be a vaccine, nor an eradication of COVID, and have no forbearance, and
default on
>> the properties now, and have $2,500 per month for every man woman and
child, you
>> can finance $200,000 in home equity, with 100% LTV, and no work
documentation
>> required for such loans, $1,250 per month.  Eradication would require 3-4
months
>> of no new cases per day.  There has been no vaccine for HIV in 40 years,
yet they
>> have vaccines for the new flu frequently, how does the flu compare to
coronavirus,
>> study that.
>> If there is never any vaccine nor eradication, we are loosing time waiting
for
>> either, and how long should we wait before going in a new direction?  1.5
years?
>> That is 1.5 years lost.  Should we not move in a new direction
immediately?  So
>> $2,500 per month for every man, woman, and child.  All employee protections
are
>> based on extreme discouragements, and advisements, NO GESTAPO LAWS, but
work from
>> home if you can.  Make your own decisions.  Coronavirus is never going
away.  ALL
>> EMPLOYEE ADVISEMENTS.  ALL CONSUMER ADVISEMENTS, likewise. Advertising,
Marketing,
>> Product Labeling, Advisement.
>>
>> Consumer protections matter.
>>
>> The minimum wage will be $2,500 per month after taxes additionally, and
after you
>> make a certain amount $60,000-$200,000+, you pay the $30,000 free money
back. More
>> than a flat tax, a flat amount.  Also at a certain point we have a 75%
Federal
>> sales tax, to encourage everyone to hold the capital. 70% wouldn't do
that.  But
>> 80% would make them maybe not care enough about their capital.  The $2,500
will
>> vary across the nation, by the County, and be 65% per capita GDP of the
county,
>> both for the free money from the government, and for the minimum wage.
>>
>> The $1,250 or $2,500 shall be sent in T-Bills or Bonds.  If the bonds aren't
>> converted cash, there is no effect.  So, for people without bank accounts,
we will
>> have to send registered bonds.  The registered bonds will be transferable to
>> book-entry bonds, or cash.  The Fed will guarantee to buy all the free
money bonds
>> for sure, and if the Fed wants to sell bonds, it will sell other bonds.
>>
>> As to the forbearance, you know, if the tenant can't pay the property owner,
>> because they don't have revenues due to COVID; a movie theater, a department
>> store, are not going to be rented out to another tenant, who are not going
to earn
>> revenues either.  A restaurant or nightclub, and the property owner won't
be able
>> to rent and pay their mortgage to the bank.  The bank could be left holding
>> possibly worthless property anyway, or just land.  Also, other companies,
such as
>> airlines, you know, the idea was, an economic pause, COVID might be
eradicated or
>> vaccinated against, and then those airlines could start right back up, and
not
>> have to build the company from scratch, and other such companies with debt
>> payments can go bankrupt, and fold, escalating, like dominoes, more
unemployment,
>> less revenues.  Plus, just general unemployment, people could have a stay
on their
>> mortgages, and on their rent or else renters be not able to pay rent at
all, or
>> spend down their savings, and then not be able to pay rent, while passive
incomes
>> are earned by landlords and equity owners who don't do anything, as rental
>> payments and interest on debt, and the banks earn revenues and may pay
dividends.
>> But I guess if we go with this $2,500 plan, then there is $1,250 to pay
rent; and
>> you should get out of that rent as soon as possible, and buy $200,000, and
the
>> rental properties will be converted into for sale housing or hotels.  And
you can
>> get a job and earn more, and buy a nicer home.
>
>
> So the forbearance would go for 4 years, then we decide there will be no
vaccine
> (nor eradication), and COVID is forever.  Really 3.5 years is what that is,
but 4
> years covers it.  Those businesses could just bounce back.  Otherwise, the
bank
> cam be left holding worthless properties, and you're saying we should just
raze
> the movie theater today, and use the land for something else?


So we loose 4 years if we do this.

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